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Categories for discussion (CfD) is the central venue for discussing specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories and stub types in accordance with the guidelines for categorization, category naming and stub articles.
For detailed instructions about using CfD, see "How to use CfD" below. Briefly, nominations are handled through one of two processes:
- Speedy renaming and merging, for uncontroversial proposals that meet specified criteria—see "Speedy renaming and merging" below.
- Full discussion, for all other proposals. Discussions typically remain open for at least seven days and are closed once a rough consensus has formed or no objections to the nomination are raised.
Except in uncontroversial cases such as reverting vandalism, do not amend or depopulate a category once it has been nominated at CfD as this hampers other editors' efforts to evaluate a category and participate in the discussion.
When a category is renamed or merged with another category, in limited circumstances it may be helpful to leave an instance of the {{Category redirect|...}} template on the category's former page. See "Redirecting categories" below for more information.
Wikipedia:Move review can be used to contest the outcome of a CfD request that is limited in scope to renaming, as long as all steps are followed. If a discussion on the request closer's talk page does not resolve an issue, then a move review will evaluate the close of a CfD move discussion to determine whether or not the close was reasonable and consistent with the spirit and intent of common practice, policies, and guidelines. CfDs involving deletion should be reviewed at Wikipedia:Deletion review.
Scope
[edit]CfD is intended only for specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories or stub types. For general discussion about how to improve the category system, use other appropriate venues such as Wikipedia talk:Categorization, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories, and any relevant WikiProjects' talk pages.
Current discussions
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Discussions awaiting closure
[edit]- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 22 (27 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 21 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 20 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 18 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 14 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 7 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 4 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 29 (1 open)
See also the list of individual discussions awaiting closure here and the list of full open discussions awaiting closure here.
How to use CfD
[edit]Nomination procedure
[edit]Twinkle
[edit]You may use Twinkle to facilitate CfD nominations. To install Twinkle, go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets and check "Twinkle" in the "Browsing" section. Use the now-installed "XfD" (Start a deletion discussion) tab while viewing the page you want to nominate.
Twinkle only allows you to nominate a single category or stub template. For bundled nominations including multiple categories, see § MassCFD.
MassCFD
[edit]You can use the script User:Qwerfjkl/scripts/massXFD to automatically make mass nominations.
Manual nominations
[edit]I | Preliminary steps.
Before nominating a category:
In the following special cases:
For further information, see Wikipedia:Categorization and Wikipedia:Manual of Style. |
II | Edit the category.
Add one of the following templates at the beginning of the category page (not the talk page) of every category to be discussed. For nominations involving large numbers of categories, help adding these templates can be requested here.
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III | Create the CFD section.
Click THIS LINK to edit the section of CfD for today's entries. Follow the instructions (visible in edit mode) to copy and paste one of the templates below. When inserting category names into these template's parameters, except the
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Stub types
[edit]I | Preliminary steps.
In general, a stub type consists of a stub template and a dedicated stub category. Before nominating a stub type for deletion, merging or renaming:
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II | Edit the template.
Add one of the following tags at the beginning of the template to be discussed.
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III | Create the CFD section.
Click THIS LINK to edit the section of CfD for today's entries. Follow the instructions (visible in edit mode) and paste the following text (remember to update the default parameters):
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Notifying interested projects and editors
[edit]In addition to the steps listed above, you may choose to invite participation by editors who are likely to be informed about a nominated category. All such efforts must comply with Wikipedia's guideline against biased canvassing. In addition, to help make your messages about the CfD discussion clear, avoid Wikipedia-specific abbreviations, link to relevant policies or guidelines, and link to the discussion itself.
- Notifying related WikiProjects
WikiProjects consist of groups of editors who are interested in a particular subject. If a nominated category is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, consider adding a brief, neutral note on their talk page(s) about the nomination. You may use {{subst:cfd notice|Category name|2024 July 30|CfD section name}} ~~~~
or write a personalized message.
Tagging the nominated category's talk page with a relevant WikiProject's banner will include the category in that WikiProject's Article Alerts if they subscribe to the system. For instance, tagging a nominated category with {{WikiProject Physics}} will add the discussion to Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Article alerts.
- Notifying substantial contributors to the category
While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and main contributors of the category that you are nominating for discussion. To find the creator and main contributors, check the category's page history or talk page. You may use {{Cfd notice}}
to inform the category's creator and all other editors.
- Notifying other interested editors
It may be helpful to invite other subject-matter experts by posting a message on the talk page of the most closely related article, such as Protein family for Category:Protein families. You may use {{Cfdnotice}}
for this.
Closing procedure
[edit]After seven days, someone will close the discussion according to the consensus that formed or, if needed, relist it to allow more discussion. Editors closing discussions must follow the administrator instructions and, except in the case of a "keep" or "no consensus" outcome, implement the result or log it at the Working page to ensure it is implemented.
Redirecting categories
[edit]In general, an unpopulated category should be deleted (see speedy deletion criterion C1) because it is not useful for navigation and sorting. In limited circumstances, and because categories cannot be redirected using "hard" redirects (i.e. #REDIRECT[[''target'']]
), we use a form of "soft redirect" to solve the issue. You can create a category redirect by adding {{Category redirect|target}}
to the category page. Bots patrol these categories and move articles into the "redirect" targets.
In particular, category redirects are used at the former category name when we convert hyphens into en dashes (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations). It is also helpful to set up category redirects from titles with plain letters (i.e. characters on a standard keyboard) where the category names include diacritics.
A list of redirected categories is available at Category:Wikipedia soft redirected categories.
Speedy renaming and merging
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Speedy renaming or speedy merging of categories may be requested only if they meet a speedy criterion, for example WP:C2D (consistency with main article's name) or WP:C2C (consistency with established category tree names). Please see instructions below.
- Determine which speedy criterion applies
- Tag category page with
{{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}
or{{subst:cfm-speedy|Merge target}}
- List request along with speedy criteria reason under "Current requests" below on this page
Please note that a speedy request must state which of the narrowly defined criteria strictly applies. Hence, any other non-speedy criteria, even "common sense" or "obvious", may be suitable points, but only at a full discussion at WP:Categories for discussion.
Request may take 48 hours to process after listing if there are no objections. This delay allows other users to review the request to ensure that it meets the speedy criteria for speedy renaming or merging, and to raise objections to the proposed change.
Categories that qualify for speedy deletion (per Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, e.g., "patent nonsense", "recreation") can be tagged with the regular speedy tags, such as {{db|reason}}
with no required delay. Empty categories can be deleted if they remain empty 7 days after tagging with {{db-empty}}. Renaming under C2E may also be processed instantly (at the discretion of an administrator) as it is a variation on G7.
To oppose a speedy request you must record your objection within 48 hours of the nomination. Do this by inserting immediately under the nomination:
- Oppose, (the reasons for your objection). ~~~~
You will not be able to do this by editing the page WP:Categories for discussion. Instead, you should edit the section WP:Categories for discussion#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here or the page WP:Categories for discussion/Speedy#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here (WP:CFDS). Be aware that in the course of any discussion, the nomination and its discussion may get moved further down the page purely for organizational convenience – you may need to search WP:CFDS to find the new location. Participate in any ongoing discussion, but unless you withdraw your opposition, a knowledgeable person may eventually bring forward the nomination and discussion to become a regular CFD discussion. At that stage you may add further comments, but your initial opposition will still be considered. However, if after seven days there has been no support for the request, and no response from the nominator, the request may be dropped from further consideration as a speedy.
Contested speedy requests become stale, and can be untagged and delisted after 7 days of inactivity. Optionally, if the discussion may be useful for future reference, it may be copied to the category talk page, with a section heading and {{moved discussion from|[[WP:CFDS]]|2=~~~~}}
. If the nominator wants to revive the process, this may be requested at WP:Categories for discussion (CfD) in accordance with its instructions.
If you belatedly notice and want to oppose a speedy move that has already been processed, contact one of the admins who process the Speedy page. If your objection seems valid, they may reverse the move, or start a full CFD discussion.
Speedy criteria
[edit]The category-specific criteria for speedy renaming, or merging are strictly limited to:
C2A: Typographic and spelling fixes
[edit]- Correction of spelling errors and capitalization fixes. Differences between British and American spelling (e.g. Harbours → Harbors) are not considered errors; however if the convention of the relevant category tree is to use one form over the other then a rename may be appropriate under C2C. If both spellings exist as otherwise-identical category names, they should be merged.
- Appropriate conversion of hyphens into en dashes or vice versa (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations).
- Correction of obvious grammatical errors, such as a missing conjunction (e.g. Individual frogs toads → Individual frogs and toads). This includes pluralizing a noun in the name of a set category, but not when disagreement might reasonably be anticipated as to whether the category is a topic or set category.
C2B: Consistency with established Wikipedia naming conventions and practices
[edit]- Expanding abbreviated country names (e.g. U.S. → United States).
- Disambiguation fixes from an unqualified name (e.g. Category:Washington → Category:Washington (state) or Category:Washington, D.C.).
C2C: Consistency with established category tree names
[edit]Bringing a category into line with established naming conventions for that category tree, or into line with the various "x by y", "x of y", or "x in y" categorization conventions specified at Wikipedia:Category names
- This should be used only where there is no room for doubt that the category in question is being used for the standard purpose instead of being a potential subcategory.
- This criterion should be applied only when there is no ambiguity or doubt over the existence of a category naming convention. Such a convention must be well defined and must be overwhelmingly used within the tree. If this is not the case then the category in question must be brought forward to a full Cfd nomination.
- This criterion will not apply in cases where the category tree observes distinctions in local usage (e.g. Category:Transportation in the United States and Category:Transport in the United Kingdom).
C2D: Consistency with main article's name
[edit]- Renaming a topic category to match its eponymous page (e.g. Category:The Beatles and The Beatles).
- This applies only if the related page's current name (and by extension, the proposed name for the category) is:
- unambiguous (so it generally does not apply to proposals to remove a disambiguator from the category name, even when the main article is the primary topic of its name, i.e. it does not contain a disambiguator); and
- uncontroversial, either because of longstanding stability at that particular name, or because the page was just moved (i) after a page move discussion resulted in explicit consensus to rename, or (ii) unilaterally to reflect an official renaming which is verified by one or more citations (provided in the nomination). C2D does not apply if the result would be contrary to guidelines at WP:CATNAME, or there is any ongoing discussion about the name of the page or category, or there has been a recent discussion concerning any of the pages that resulted in a no consensus result, or it is controversial in some other way.
- This criterion may also be used to rename a set category in the same circumstances, where the set is defined by a renamed topic; e.g. players for a sports team, or places in a district.
- Before nominating a category to be renamed per WP:C2D, consider whether it makes more sense to move the article instead of the category.
C2E: Author request
[edit]- This criterion applies only if the author of a category requests or agrees to renaming within six months of creating the category.
- The criterion does not apply if other editors have populated or changed the category since it was created. "Other editors" includes bots that populated the category, but excludes an editor working with the author on the renaming.
C2F: One eponymous page
[edit]- This criterion applies if the category contains only an eponymous article, list, template or media file, provided that the category has not otherwise been emptied shortly before the nomination. The default outcome is an upmerge to the parent categories, where applicable. Nominations should use
{{subst:cfm-speedy}}
(speedy merger) linking to a suitable parent category, or to another appropriate category (e.g. one that is currently on the article).
Admin instructions
[edit]When handling the listings:
- Make sure that the listing meets one of the above criteria.
- With the exception of C2E, make sure that it was both listed and tagged at least 48 hours previously.
- Make sure that there is no opposition to the listing; if there is a discussion, check if the opposing user(s) ended up withdrawing their opposition.
If the listing meets these criteria, simply have the category renamed or merged – follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Administrator instructions, in the section "If the decision is to Rename, Merge, or Delete"; to list it for the bots, use the Speedy moves section.
Applying speedy criteria in full discussions
[edit]- A nomination to merge or rename, brought forward as a full CfD, may be speedily closed if the closing administrator is satisfied that:
- The nomination clearly falls within the scope of one of the criteria listed here, and
- No objections have been made within 48 hours of the initial nomination.
- If both these conditions are satisfied, the closure will be regarded as having been a result of a speedy nomination. If any objections have been raised then the CfD nomination will remain in place for the usual 7-day discussion period, to be decided in accordance with expressed consensus.
Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here
[edit]If the category and desired change do not match one of the criteria mentioned in C2, do not list it here. Instead, list it in the main CFD section.
If you are in any doubt as to whether it qualifies, do not list it here.
Use the following format on a new line at the beginning of the list:
* [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
If the current name should be redirected rather than deleted, use:
* REDIRECT [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
To note that human action is required, e.g. updating a template that populates the category, use:
* NO BOTS [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
Remember to tag the category page with: {{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}
A request may be completed if it is more than 48 hours old; that is, if the time stamp shown is earlier than 00:19, 28 July 2024 (UTC). Currently, there are 92 open requests (. )
Administrators and page movers: Do not use the "Move" tab to move categories listed here!Categories are processed following the 48-hour waiting period and are moved by a bot. |
Current requests
[edit]Please add new requests at the top of the list, preferably with a link to the parent category (in case of C2C) or relevant article (in case of C2D).
- Category:Victims of Iran's November 2019 protests to Category:People killed in the 2019–2020 Iranian protests – C2C: parent is Category:People killed in protests in Iran, and sibling is People killed in the Mahsa Amini protests Mason (talk) 00:15, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rhythmic action games to Category:Rhythm-action games – C2C: "Rhythmic" is rarely used and does not match the parent category. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:45, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television shows directed by David Prior to Category:Television shows directed by David Prior (director) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 19:15, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television series created by Michael Cusack to Category:Television series created by Michael Cusack (animator) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 19:09, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television series created by David A. Stewart to Category:Television series created by Dave Stewart (Eurythmics) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 19:09, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television series created by Arthur Mathews to Category:Television series created by Arthur Mathews (writer) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 19:06, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television plays directed by Ray Menmuir to Category:Television plays directed by Raymond Menmuir – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 19:05, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television episodes written by Stephen Thompson (writer) to Category:Television episodes written by Steve Thompson (writer) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 19:05, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television episodes directed by Salli Richardson-Whitfield to Category:Television episodes directed by Salli Richardson – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 19:03, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television episodes directed by Frederick E.O. Toye to Category:Television episodes directed by Frederick E. O. Toye – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 19:02, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Films with screenplays by John Logan to Category:Films with screenplays by John Logan (writer) – C2D Inpops
- Category:March 1st Movement people to Category:March First Movement people – C2D, parent was moved from March 1st Movement to March First Movement 104.232.119.107 (talk) 11:32, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television episodes written by Richard Day to Category:Television episodes written by Richard Day (writer) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 11:06, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Technicolor Creative Studios to Category:Technicolor Group – C2D: Technicolor Creative Studios changed its name to Technicolor Group. RidwanZatmiko97 (talk) 07:34, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Women's Asian U18 Volleyball Championship to Category:Asian Women's U18 Volleyball Championship – C2D. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 05:49, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Phrases and idioms derived from Greek mythology to Category:Words and phrases derived from Greek mythology – C2C. MClay1 (talk) 00:47, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Worms (series) games to Category:Worms (series) – C2D. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 22:56, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Beşiktaş J.K. players to Category:Beşiktaş J.K. sportspeople – C2C: There is a category-space template that automatically populates sportspeople categories and will add Category:Beşiktaş J.K. footballers to this category. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 18:55, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television series created by Gregg Hale (producer) to Category:Television series created by Gregg Hale (filmmaker) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 14:27, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Works by Hugh Wilson to Category:Works by Hugh Wilson (director) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 14:23, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Films with screenplays by Hugh Wilson to Category:Films with screenplays by Hugh Wilson (director) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 14:23, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Films directed by Hugh Wilson to Category:Films directed by Hugh Wilson (director) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 14:22, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television series created by Hugh Wilson to Category:Television series created by Hugh Wilson (director) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 14:22, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Films with screenplays by Kevin Williamson to Category:Films with screenplays by Kevin Williamson (screenwriter) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 14:21, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television series created by Kevin Williamson to Category:Television series created by Kevin Williamson (screenwriter) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 14:20, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television series created by J.J. Villard to Category:Television series created by J. J. Villard – C2B: MOS:SPACEINITS. Gonnym (talk) 14:19, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television series created by Matt Thompson to Category:Television series created by Matt Thompson (animator) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 14:17, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television series created by Mike Flanagan to Category:Television series created by Mike Flanagan (filmmaker) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 14:16, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television series created by Tom Snyder to Category:Television series created by Tom Snyder (animator) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 14:14, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television series created by Alan Simpson to Category:Television series created by Alan Simpson (scriptwriter) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 14:13, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television series created by Joe Murray to Category:Television series created by Joe Murray (animator) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 14:08, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television episodes written by Ryan Murphy (filmmaker) to Category:Television episodes written by Ryan Murphy (producer) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 14:07, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Films with screenplays by Ryan Murphy (filmmaker) to Category:Films with screenplays by Ryan Murphy (producer) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 14:06, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Films produced by Ryan Murphy (filmmaker) to Category:Films produced by Ryan Murphy (producer) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 14:06, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Films directed by Ryan Murphy (filmmaker) to Category:Films directed by Ryan Murphy (producer) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 14:06, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Works by Ryan Murphy (filmmaker) to Category:Ryan Murphy (producer) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 14:05, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television series created by Ryan Murphy (filmmaker) to Category:Television series created by Ryan Murphy (producer) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 14:05, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television series created by Chris Morris to Category:Television series created by Chris Morris (satirist) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 14:03, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television series created by Ben Jones to Category:Television series created by Ben Jones (American cartoonist) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 13:56, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television series created by Michael Jacobs to Category:Television series created by Michael Jacobs (producer) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 13:55, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television series created by Michael Hirst to Category:Television series created by Michael Hirst (writer) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 13:54, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television series created by David Hare to Category:Television series created by David Hare (playwright) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 13:53, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television series created by Carol Black to Category:Television series created by Carol Black (writer) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 13:36, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television series created by Bob Boyle to Category:Television series created by Bob Boyle (animator) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 13:36, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television series created by John Callahan to Category:Television series created by John Callahan (cartoonist) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 13:36, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television series created by Chris Carter to Category:Television series created by Chris Carter (screenwriter) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 13:35, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Furies/Erinyes to Category:Erinyes – C2D. MClay1 (talk) 10:44, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Footballers from Basel to Category:Footballers from Basel-Stadt – C2C: Parent category is Category:Sportspeople from Basel-Stadt Mellamelina (talk) 20:38, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:World War II grand strategy computer games to Category:World War II grand strategy video games – C2C. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 18:11, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Franklin pierce administration controversies to Category:Franklin Pierce administration controversies – C2A. Gjs238 (talk) 15:22, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Chester A Arthur administration controversies to Category:Chester A. Arthur administration controversies – C2A. Gjs238 (talk) 15:21, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Lyndon B Johnson administration controversies to Category:Lyndon B. Johnson administration controversies – C2A. Gjs238 (talk) 15:18, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Academics of RADA to Category:Academics of the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art – C2D: main article is Royal Academy of Dramatic Art. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:44, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Alumni of RADA to Category:Alumni of the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art – C2D: main article is Royal Academy of Dramatic Art. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:43, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:People associated with RADA to Category:People associated with the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art – C2D: main article is Royal Academy of Dramatic Art. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:42, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:RADA to Category:Royal Academy of Dramatic Art – C2D: main article is Royal Academy of Dramatic Art. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:41, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Opposed requests
[edit]- Category:Tennis players from Basel-Stadt to Category:Tennis players from Basel – C2D: Referring to the city of Basel rather than the canton of Basel-Stadt. Mellamelina (talk) 15:17, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Why? @Mellamelina: Ymblanter (talk) 06:47, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy, this goes against Category:Sportspeople from Switzerland by canton. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:03, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- What about Category:Footballers from Basel? Mellamelina (talk) 10:12, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- It is not speediable anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:40, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- What about Category:Footballers from Basel? Mellamelina (talk) 10:12, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Why? @Mellamelina: Ymblanter (talk) 06:47, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:World War II strategic bombing of Japan to Category:Air raids on Japan – Category follows main article name, also air raids encompass all. There is a sub-category already for just the bombings. Gryffindor (talk) 11:11, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. What speedy criteria? This category follows Category:World War II strategic bombing. Gonnym (talk) 19:21, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Firebombings in Japan to Category:Bombing of Japan – Grammatically correct term, see also "Category:Bombing of Chongqing" or "Bombing of South-East Asia (1944–1945)" as format examples. Gryffindor (talk) 11:11, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. No speedy criteria. Also parent is Category:Firebombings. Gonnym (talk) 19:22, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:12th-century Scottish Roman Catholic clergy to Category:12th-century Scottish Roman Catholic priests – C2C: The norm is that XXXth-century FOOian Roman Catholic clergy should be named XXXth-century FOOian Roman Catholic priests. There was more recent movement on this, but I can only seem to dig up this older one Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2009_February_11 Mason (talk) 05:29, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison: the discussion you referred to rather has a (weak) inclination against priests categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:26, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yep, I wanted to be transparent. Do you remember the more recent one that collapsed the priests and clergy category? Mason (talk) 21:43, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Unfortunately I do not remember. But as bishops are still priests, I cannot see the need to have both a Priests and a Clergy category. And we do need Clergy as a parent of Bishops. The only exception is Deacons, who are clergy but not priests. But they occur in articles very exceptionally. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:20, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yep, I wanted to be transparent. Do you remember the more recent one that collapsed the priests and clergy category? Mason (talk) 21:43, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison: the discussion you referred to rather has a (weak) inclination against priests categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:26, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Qutb Shahi dynasty to Category:Sultanate of Golconda – C2D. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 17:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, this would remove the content from the tree of Category:Shia dynasties. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:32, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm aware, however once this is moved Category:Sultans of Golconda should be moved to replace Category:Qutb Shahi dynasty as that cat includes the members of the dynasty. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 09:56, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- I do not agree with that move either because it would remove the sultans from the tree of Category:Sultans. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:28, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle I see. So then make the cat Category:Sultanate of Golconda manually one level higher than Category:Qutb Shahi dynasty? There's no reason that the main category for the Sultanate of Golconda topic shouldn't be Category:Sultanate of Golconda. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 13:43, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Potentially a reason for Category:Sultanate of Golconda not to exist is that there aren't any wikipedia articles about events that took place in this sultanate. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:54, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle There are, they just aren't in the Qutb Shahi dynasty cat because it wouldn't make sense to have events in a dynasty cat; Siege of Golconda and Willem Leyel's war on Golconda are two examples. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 16:57, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, the category exists now. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:21, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- What is now the proposal for the move? Ymblanter (talk) 20:32, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, the category exists now. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:21, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle There are, they just aren't in the Qutb Shahi dynasty cat because it wouldn't make sense to have events in a dynasty cat; Siege of Golconda and Willem Leyel's war on Golconda are two examples. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 16:57, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Potentially a reason for Category:Sultanate of Golconda not to exist is that there aren't any wikipedia articles about events that took place in this sultanate. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:54, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle I see. So then make the cat Category:Sultanate of Golconda manually one level higher than Category:Qutb Shahi dynasty? There's no reason that the main category for the Sultanate of Golconda topic shouldn't be Category:Sultanate of Golconda. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 13:43, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- I do not agree with that move either because it would remove the sultans from the tree of Category:Sultans. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:28, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm aware, however once this is moved Category:Sultans of Golconda should be moved to replace Category:Qutb Shahi dynasty as that cat includes the members of the dynasty. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 09:56, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, this would remove the content from the tree of Category:Shia dynasties. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:32, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Wikipedia formatting and function templates by subject area to Category:Wikipedia utility templates by subject area – C2C after Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_28#Category:Wikipedia_formatting_and_function_templates – Fayenatic London 19:53, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Association football formatting and function templates to Category:Association football utility templates
- Category:Astronomy formatting and function templates to Category:Astronomy utility templates
- Category:Solar System formatting and function templates to Category:Astronomy utility templates
- Category:Minor planet formatting and function templates to Category:Minor planet utility templates
- Category:Automotive formatting and function templates to Category:Automotive utility templates
- Category:Formula E formatting and function templates to Category:Formula E utility templates
- Category:Formula One formatting and function templates to Category:Formula One utility templates
- Category:Chemistry formatting and function templates to Category:Chemistry utility templates
- Category:Currency formatting and function templates to Category:Currency utility templates
- Category:Economics formatting and function templates to Category:Economics utility templates
- Category:Transport formatting and function templates to Category:Transport utility templates
- Category:Norway rail transport formatting and function templates to Category:Norway rail transport utility templates
- Category:Virginia state highway formatting and function templates to Category:Virginia state highway utility templates
- I propose Category:Wikipedia formatting and function templates by subject area to Category:Wikipedia utility templates by topic, similar to subcategories of Wikipedia templates by task and topic. Side note: I really don't understand the meaning of the word "utility" here. Surely, all created templates are meant to have some utility? It sounds so generic, I wouldn't mind upmerging the whole tree of Wikipedia utility templates. —andrybak (talk) 01:10, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with Andrybak. Looked at a few at the minor planet category. Any link template should be under a sub-category of Category:Link templates. "Utility" is so generic that it is unhelpful, as is the previous "function templates". Probably best to check the contents of each category and see if they are all of a same type, find out which parent correctly fit that type and rename to match. Gonnym (talk) 07:30, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: if you agree with Category:Wikipedia utility templates by topic this discussion can probably be relisted for speedy. Or the discussion may be moved to full CfD to address the "utility" issue. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:30, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
On hold pending other discussion
[edit]- Category:Prince Rui to Category:Prince Rui (瑞) – C2D & to distinguish from Category:Prince Rui (睿). Yinweiaiqing (talk) 17:11, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Prince Yi(怡) to Category:Prince Yi (怡) – C2D Yinweiaiqing (talk) 17:04, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Put on hold the above two. I've sent the articles to RM as using non-English text in a title for disambiguation isn't helpful. Gonnym (talk) 19:30, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
Moved to full discussion
[edit]- Category:Baseball people by Canadian province or territory to Category:Canadian baseball players by province or territory – C2C. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:45, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. That isn't the standard. Category:Sportspeople by Canadian province or territory and sport shows that it's "Canadian province or territory", which makes sense, as it's not a random province or territory but a Canadian one. Gonnym (talk) 19:18, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full Cfd. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:55, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. That isn't the standard. Category:Sportspeople by Canadian province or territory and sport shows that it's "Canadian province or territory", which makes sense, as it's not a random province or territory but a Canadian one. Gonnym (talk) 19:18, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Baseball people by prefecture in Japan to Category:Japanese baseball players by prefecture – C2A. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:44, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. This isn't a Japanese category. Gonnym (talk) 19:19, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Gonnym, my bad, I tagged the wrong category! Fixed it. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:52, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Still oppose. This isn't C2A and it's consistent (and correct) with Category:Sportspeople from Japan by prefecture. Gonnym (talk) 06:12, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Many recent precedents have changed that and its now supposed to be "Foo sportspeople by region". Nevertheless, I've moved it to full Cfd. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:34, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Still oppose. This isn't C2A and it's consistent (and correct) with Category:Sportspeople from Japan by prefecture. Gonnym (talk) 06:12, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Gonnym, my bad, I tagged the wrong category! Fixed it. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:52, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. This isn't a Japanese category. Gonnym (talk) 19:19, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Family of Boris Johnson to Category:Boris Johnson family – C2B. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:05, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- It has been recently moved via speedy, may be we should go for a full discussion.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:07, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Ymblanter, oh I did that, incorrectly thinking it was an error or the wrong. But in fact the previous version was the correct form so was just undoing it. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:53, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:42, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- It has been recently moved via speedy, may be we should go for a full discussion.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:07, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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