Talk:Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis

Semi-protected edit request on 17 January 2022

Under the section RELATIONSHIP TO ROBERT F KENNEDY

"He credited *Kennedy* with convincing him to stay in politics..."

The reference to Kennedy can be confusing since there's several Kennedy's mentioned in the article.

I suggest changing it to...

"He credited *Jacqueline* with convincing him to stay in politics..." 50.5.111.73 (talk) 07:17, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Clarified that section, thanks for spotting. --Marbe166 (talk) 07:37, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Just to clarify: the subject of the article is always the only one who is referred to using a bare surname. Others are referred to by their first names (if related) or their full names (if unrelated). Exceptions are for lists of family members or when the usage of surname alone would be confusing in the context. All other Kennedys here should be referred to by their first names only. MOS:SAMESURNAME WP Ludicer (talk) 23:32, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Style of surname in article

Much of the article refers to her with the surname "Kennedy" rather than "Kennedy Onasis". The article should either have its title changed, or the body of the article should probably be corrected to refer to her as "Kennedy Onasis". SecretName101 (talk) 00:02, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

No. The body of the article refers to her in different places by the name she used at the time being discussed. This has come up during the years of editing this piece and this is the method that is most sensible and comprehensible. It's not a typical situation, so we adapt the usual rules to make the most sense. Not changing the title of the article either - this has been the stable name for almost 20 years and it is the name she used for the majority of her life. Tvoz/talk 04:26, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

The name she used and her common name can indeed differ. The question is what name she most commonly was referred to by the public.

There are areas of the article that need to be double-checked for what name they use. There are many areas that are interchanging the name usage in confusing ways. SecretName101 (talk) 06:28, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

And, that fact that the article has used this name for a long name is not an argument against re-assessing the name. Plenty of articles have changed long-standing names. The article "Impeachment and acquittal of Andrew Johnson" was renamed to Impeachment of Andrew Johnson after nearly a decade. The article for Kyiv was long spelled "Kiev" (likely since near the creation of this project) until being renamed within this last year or so.

You can re-assess things. SecretName101 (talk) 06:32, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

I agree that the article should refer to her in different places by the name she used at the time being covered. In legacy text, she should be called "Onassis" only (like it or not). --SergeWoodzing (talk) 12:04, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Summary might be too long

Yourlocallordandsavior (talk) 02:47, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Infobox Image Proposal

Hello, there. I have reason to believe that this image is in the public domain and is a suitable replacement for the current one. Less light is concentrated on her face, not as blurry, et cetera.

That's all. Thanks. 71.184.82.123 (talk) 02:10, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 11 August 2024

Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis → Jackie Kennedy – Per WP:COMMONNAME. Her sister's name is common name as are those of every 20th-century U.S. first lady. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:12, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support, with no prejudice against a more formal "Jacqueline Kennedy" as an alternative, as she's more widely known by the Kennedy surname (along with her first marriage) than the Onassis one. This is similar to First Lady Frances Cleveland who's known more often for marrying President Grover Cleveland (thus using his last name) than the second man she married, Thomas J. Preston Jr. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 14:44, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

  @SNUGGUMS, thank you. I knew there was a first lady who remarried. Just kept escaping my mind.

  The reason I favor the informal name is because other 20th-century first ladies' articles are similarly titled: Betty Ford, Mamie Eisenhower, Pat Nixon, Lady Bird Johnson... and so on. I don't see why Jackie Kennedy should be different in that sense. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:57, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

This n-gram may be of help in deciding between Jacqueline and Jackie. Although equally recognized now, Jacqueline is prominent throughout most of the last 70 years (including during her years as First Lady). Randy Kryn (talk) 15:02, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

@Randy Kryn the thing is that Jackie is the name used in books and films and so on. she is popularly remembered as "Jackie" too. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:06, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Understood, and that's how I would think of her as well. But for encyclopedic purposes her formal name denotes the importance of her impact on society and the functioning of the White House, as well as per the n-gram results which take the books into account. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:10, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

A lot of the first ladies I've listed have had that same effect too. To varying degrees and in different ways but they nonetheless did. I prefer that it be "Jackie" since, ultimately, it is the one she is best known by today and therefore fits WP:COMMONAME.

Just making my argument for it. Ultimately, I will go with the consensus. Omnis Scientia (talk) 16:40, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Support per @SNUGGUMS Killuminator (talk) 14:55, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

• Support Jacqueline Kennedy (Jackie is her informal nickname), whose seven-year marriage to Onassis was important to her full history yet per long-term significance does not equate with her Kennedy-based legacy and common name. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:58, 11 August 2024 (UTC)