Talk:Abu Muslim

Safavid heresy

This phrase was at the end of the article: "The Mahdist heresies entrenched even private Shia beliefs in Iran that would persist until the sixteenth century when the Safavid heresy became fully pronounced.". It is unclear what the author refers to here. The Mahdist belief has been with the Shia before the Savafids, and still exists today, in Iran and elsewhere. It is not clear what was there to be supplanted, nor what s/he refers by Safavid heresy. Therefore, I am taking this section out till further clarification and references are provided. Note: I am not Shia myself. -- KB 01:45, 2004 Sep 19 (UTC)

I'm born a Shia, but I don't understand the sentence either. roozbeh 12:43, Sep 19, 2004 (UTC)

Suggesting new name for this article

I think this article should be moved to Abu Muslim Khorasani. That his most common name used in literature. Please let me know if you agree or disagree. --Behnam 07:57, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. I think Abu Muslim Khorasani is more common name.Ariana310 20:24, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Khurasan vs. Khorasan

The article uses both terms. I assume they are the same, just using different transliterations. If nobody corrects me, I'm going to change everything to the Khorasan version in the near future. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 17:38, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

yes, they are the same. --Pejman47 (talk) 18:42, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok, fixed. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 21:28, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Serious source

I found this while searching for information for another article. It would be great for this one as it primarily focuses on who Abu Muslim was. MezzoMezzo (talk) 05:09, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

== The Name Behzādān Pour Vandād Hormozd ==

Where is this name from? Pour means son so if he is named "son of vandad hormozd" the first part Behzad-AN might be wrong and hence i doubt this name has validity to it, unless Behzadan is the name of his/a clan (the behzadian ,son of vandad hormoz) Most names from that period have this form "Behzad i vandad-hormozdan" . And he was in slave like servitude to the abbasid, so propably had some lineage but this name reeks of psuedo-history attestation. cant find where its first attested (and how did they found out and why does it include pur) Bennanak88 (talk) 11:27, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

"crypto-Zoroastrianism"

Hello

On the crypto-Zoroastrianism section it mentions a quote from Nizam al-Mulk's book. However, in the book he doesn't actually attribute this to Abu Muslim, instead he says that this was by Sinbad (or Sunpadh):

"When the Rafidis heard mention of the Mahdi, and the Mazdakites the name of Mazdak, a great multitude of Rafidis and Khurrama-dins gathered at Rayy, and Sinbad's affair grew in magnitude until eventually 100,000 people joined him, mounted and on foot. Whenever he was alone with Zoroastrians, he would say, 'According to one of the books of the Sasanians which I have found, the Arab empire is finished. I shall not turn back until I have destroyed the Ka'ba, for this has been [wrongly] substituted for the sun; we shall make the sun our qibla as it was in olden time.' And to the Khurrama-dins he would say, 'Mazdak has become a Shi'ite and his command is that you make common cause with the Shi'a.' By saying the former things to the Zoroastrians and the latter to the extreme Shi'ites and Khurrama-dins, he kept all three groups happy"

I don't see any mention of Abu Muslim in this. Tykanes (talk) 10:02, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Unexplained changes

@FF0010: Hi, please explain your changes here, thanks. HistoryofIran (talk) 15:05, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Was Abu Muslim Sunni or Shia

Was Abu Muslim Al Khurasani Sunni or Shia 103.180.55.226 (talk) 06:02, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

sunni 103.152.101.63 (talk) 13:51, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Disregard of WP:RS, WP:CITE and WP:VER

@Wiawolo: You're clearly someones sock (Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Tarih-ül Mümin), but I will entertain this. Please explain how those 5 citations you added are in line with WP:RS, WP:VER and WP:CITE. HistoryofIran (talk) 23:38, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

:If you think it‘s false lets control this. I took the sources from german and turkish wikipedia Wiawolo (talk) 13:30, 28 June 2024 (UTC)Sock of WP:HEVAL Aintabli (talk) 20:23, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

@Wiawolo: Just answer my question. WP:ONUS; "The responsibility for achieving consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content.". You have not received WP:CONSENSUS. So please explain how those 5 citations you added are in line with WP:RS, WP:VER and WP:CITE. HistoryofIran (talk) 14:11, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

I didn‘t write that he is of Kurdish descent, i wrote like according to the source that their are schoolars who support a Kurdish ancestry. Whats wrong with that? Same as in the Ismet Inönü page, their are secondary sources who claim that ismet inönüs father was of Kurdish origin. Whats wrong with that fact? Man everything which includes kurdish or kurds is a problem. I can‘t do this anymore. What did we do to you guys, god created us as same as you guys. What did we do to our iranian brothers? Wiawolo (talk) 14:16, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Sources were from German and Turkish wikipedia who support this view. Wiawolo (talk) 14:17, 28 June 2024 (UTC)Sock of WP:HEVAL Aintabli (talk) 20:23, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

@Wiawolo: Please see WP:FORUM, I am not here to talk about sharing genetics with you or anything alike. And please stop suggesting that I have a problem with these additions because it's Kurdish related, see WP:ASPERSIONS. I merely asked you a simple question. If you're so confident that your edits weren't disruptive, then you should easily explain how your are additions are in line with the policies of the website. Again, please explain how those 5 citations you added are in line with WP:RS, WP:VER and WP:CITE. HistoryofIran (talk) 14:25, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

I am new here understand it, how should i know that something of german or turkish wikipedia can‘t be taken in English one? Wiawolo (talk) 14:27, 28 June 2024 (UTC)Sock of WP:HEVAL Aintabli (talk) 20:23, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

@Wiawolo: So am I to understand that you can't explain how they are in line with WP:RS, WP:VER and WP:CITE? If so, please revert yourself. HistoryofIran (talk) 14:33, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Why rv? Their are a lot of citations like that on wikipedia? Wiawolo (talk) 15:59, 28 June 2024 (UTC)Sock of WP:HEVAL Aintabli (talk) 20:23, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

@Wiawolo: Even if there is it’s irrelevant per WP:OTHER, lots of articles on this site with issues. Are you going to answer my question or not? Fifth time I am asking you. If not, then please revert yourself. HistoryofIran (talk) 16:30, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Somany ottoman related article claimings of albanian origins and everything. These are reliable sources, thanks. It is an information that their are scholars who view a kurdish ancestry. Wiawolo (talk) 16:33, 28 June 2024 (UTC)Sock of WP:HEVAL Aintabli (talk) 20:23, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

@Wiawolo: Sigh… please explain how those 5 citations you added are in line with WP:RS, WP:VER and WP:CITE. Sixth time I am asking you now. If you cant answer by tomorrow, I’ll revert it back. And if you revert after that, I will report you to WP:ANI. HistoryofIran (talk) 16:41, 28 June 2024 (UTC)