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2004

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I propose moving this page to Longford (disambiguation), and moving Longford Town to this page, with a link at top of page.

Other Irish counties have the county at "County Name", with any county town of the same name at "Name".

A link to the disambiguation page should be sufficient for other uses, Longford Ireland is likely the most common usage.

Comments?

Zoney 14:03, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Requested move 1 April 2019

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The result of the move request was: No consensus. Not moved. (non-admin closure) В²C 20:04, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]


– Procedural nomination, I am neutral. While I favoured having the town at the base name serving as a broad concept article at Talk:Antrim, County Antrim#Requested move 5 November 2018 and Talk:Donegal (town)#Requested move 23 March 2019 the consensus in both of those cases was that the town was not primary. In the case of Antrim the town has a population of 20,001, and the county-618,108. With Antrim, New Hampshire only has 2,637 (the others don't have stated populations). In the case of Donegal the town has a population of 2,618 and the county 159,192. While Donegal, Pennsylvania only has 116 and is named after the Irish town. Donegal, Perth County, Ontario is also named after the Irish town and doesn't have a stated population. In both cases the towns of Antrim and Donegal could function as WP:DABCONCEPTS for the counties and thus would be by far the most populated/significant but there was consensus against that. In the case of Longford the town has a population of 10,008 and the county has 40,873. Longford, Coventry has 18,538, Longford, Derbyshire has 349, Longford, Gloucestershire 1,218, Longford (ward) has 12,163, Longford, Newport has 102, Longford, Warrington has 8,012, Longford, Victoria has 929, Longford, Tasmania has 3,863 and Longford, Kansas has 75 (total 45, 249). There is also Longford (film) and several other places such as Longford, London that don't have population data. Longford, County Longford and Longford Town F.C. have 6, 191 views combined while the others have 4,123. [[1]] [[2]]. This isn't a WP:POINTy nomination but based on the previous consensus, if a town that has a county named after it and a few small places isn't primary then a town that has a county and some unrelated places that exceed even the county's population clearly isn't primary. I have chosen Longford, County Longford as the target like Category:Wexford, County Wexford due to the fact that Longford, Tasmania and Longford, Victoria are also towns and thus would be WP:PDABs and fail WP:PRECISION however I'm happy for Longford (town) to redirect to the Irish town or we could use Longford (Irish town). Commons:Category:Longford, County Longford is also the title of the Commons category. Crouch, Swale (talk) 13:26, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

While I know googling isn't decisive it is notable that typing "Longford, Ireland" yields 10.4 million results while "Longford, Tasmania" gives 640,000. Sarah777 (talk) 16:22, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Requested move 8 May 2021

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The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. Many opposers argue that the Irish town is primary by long-term significance (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 00:06, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]



– I'm starting a new RM with a different target to 2 years ago. As noted previously the town has around 10,000 and the wider county around 40,000 but the other places combined have around 50,000. Also the film gets more views than the town[[3]]. Alternative titles include Longford, Ireland (town) or as previously Longford, County Longford. Unlike the Bray move that created many links to the DAB I have DisamAssist so I can easily fix the links. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:51, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support – clearly a no primarytopic situation. No particular opinion whether Irish town is the best disambiguator, but it will do. Dicklyon (talk) 02:48, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 05:45, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: The page view argument given over a one month period barely holds over a two year period and the maximum count for the town over a month was higher at circa 6500 versus 3000. A BOT analysis might also be interesting as they may be running film nav templates. I bring forward MjRoots comments of WP:OSE from the previous discussion, Declangi's & Amakuru comments about the ugliness etc and Sarah777's previous !vote to leave as is. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 21:09, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - The problem we seem to be trying to solve (that the film has perhaps 6 more daily views than the town (129 v 123)) is a negligible one. And the solution proposed (move the article on the town to one with an atypical parenthetical disambiguation not common for geographic subjects) seems more than a little awkward. When the same problem is already solved by the simple DAB hatnote. As was noted by some of the contributors to the previous (2019) discussion, this seems like a solution looking for a problem. Where the cure is only marginally better than the disease. If at all. And the existing solution (the hatnote) already largely covers it anyway. Guliolopez (talk) 08:59, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - per GulioLopez. Additionally, if we're talking page views, the town is clearly the major topic - it's been there for hundreds of years, it will be for hundreds more, while the film will fade into relative obscurity. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 11:33, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - per Guliolopez. Nothing has changed in the last 2 years to warrant another discussion. Spleodrach (talk) 13:52, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - per Guliolopez. ser! (chat to me - see my edits) 14:19, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - "Irish town" is an awkward disambiguator. But I still don't see the need for any disambiguation. The popularity of a film waxes and wanes. None of the other Longford places come close to Ireland's Longford in prominence. And the 50,000 population of other places combined would seem to include the Longford ward of Coventry which, despite its population, seems very unlikely to be searched for as often as the Irish Longford. Declangi (talk) 06:38, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.