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Article name change[edit]

Suikoden should redirect to the first game, while Suikoden (series) should redirect to the series. Some quick research reveals that Breath of Fire and Dragon Warrior follow this convention, but Final Fantasy does not. What do you think? Schmloof (talk) 17:43, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal[edit]

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The result was to merge 27 True Runes into Suikoden (series) per consensus. MuZemike (talk) 18:18, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I propose that 27 True Runes be merged into Suikoden. The former lacks sufficient notability on its own, and it is better, as an alternative to deletion, that it be merged and redirected here. Please discuss below and indicate whether you support or oppose the merger. If no discussion occurs within five days on the sign date, then the proposal will carry due to lack of opposition. MuZemike (talk) 23:29, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Move Proposal[edit]

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Requested moves already done. MuZemike (talk) 18:31, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I propose that this article be moved to Suikoden (series), and the Suikoden (video game) article be moved here, in keeping with the usual format for games and game series on Wikipedia. See Phantasy Star and Phantasy Star series as another example. The first game in the series is called Suikoden. If you say Suikoden, you mean that game, not necessarily the entire series. The word "series" is an important qualifier and should be in the title of the article about the series. I will post the request on the WP:RM page. Godheval (talk) 15:01, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The word "series" should be in parentheses per naming conventions. Hence, it should be Suikoden (series). Phantasy Star series should also be the same thing. MuZemike (talk) 15:53, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Works for me. So I take it, that's a Support for the move? Godheval (talk) 16:04, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, yes, support. This might be able to be moved without going to WP:RM. Did you try moving it yourself by clicking the "move" tab on the top? MuZemike (talk) 16:44, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I was led to believe from a move proposal on another article that the WP:RM submission was mandatory, i.e. Wikipedia protocol. But if not, then I can just go ahead and do it. Godheval (talk) 20:39, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No, it's not mandatory, unless the destination page is already occupied, or the destination page is blacklisted, admin help is needed for moving, or if a move discussion is at a standstill and outside opinions/assistance are needed (read the first two paragraphs in WP:RM).
That is fine with the Suikoden article. However, I think what you are asking for with the Suikoden (video game) article is for it to be merged into that new series article, is that correct? MuZemike (talk) 21:02, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No, not at all. I want to maintain separate articles, but have Suikoden be about the game, and Suikoden (series) to be about the series. The Suikoden (video game) article would disappear, or rather, redirect to the new Suikoden article. Godheval (talk) 21:34, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I think I understand what's going on, now. If I'm right, you're trying to make it just like the Double Dragon group of articles. If you're going to do that, you will need to request at WP:RM for the second move you mentioned. You will also need to create a disamb page and note on top of both articles what each article pertains to. Of course, you can also keep everything as-is (see Ninja Gaiden for example) and just create a disamb page. MuZemike (talk) 22:51, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Merger proposal[edit]

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Quasihuman | Talk 15:41, 20 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

108 Stars of Destiny (Suikoden) should be merged into this article, as it is a gameplay aspect of the series and is not referenced enough to merit its own article. As for the huge chart, I commend whoever made it but it's still original research and should be transwikied unless a source is found attributing those characters to their counterparts.--ZXCVBNM 20:39, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree. Okay, I don't watch the Suikoden articles much anymore, but the chart is a navigational table - more helpful from the time when every character had their own article, sure, but still a table (consider it something like "List of Suikoden characters (all)"). It's not original research - the Stars are clearly identified in every game in a tablet, if you haven't played it. I guess you could argue that the description parts of the article are too gameplay-focused, but WP standard seems to be to have some description of the lists rather the list straight-up, so I'm not sure there's a good way around that. I guess the table could be merged here and then made collapsible into one of those show/hide boxes, but meh. Why not just have the table in its own page? It's no different than, say, List of people associated with the American Civil War, which also could be theoretically merged somewhere, but is a bit too long. SnowFire (talk) 22:17, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Disagree. Like SnowFire, I don't watch the Suikoden articles as often anymore, but I agree with most of the points presented regarding the article. EikaKou (talk) 03:05, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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What section of the article are violating the Wiki in general??[edit]

I want to know please!! (game instructions etc...) I would be pleased to help trim it down as I've helped changed most of the article's content.--JCD (Talk) 10:29, 28 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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