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June 24

Peter Phillips

Reference numbers 42 and 43 are both from the UK Daily telegraph and should be "archived" with a little padlock emblem - I cannot do this. Please assist if possible. Thanks. 115.70.23.77 (talk) 00:13, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

This can be done with the "url-access" parameter, but I am not sure which one to use or if it is even needed. I am able to view the content without signing up. RudolfRed (talk) 00:19, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

The "padlocks" for archived UK Daily Telegraph articles (as references) has been done correctly in the article Catherine, Princess of Wales. Is there any editor that knows how to do it? All the very best and thanks in advance for trying. 115.70.23.77 (talk) 00:54, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Padlocks are only for references that are viewable if one is a subscriber (in which case, "url-access=subscription"). References 42 and 43 are viewable by anyone. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:37, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

And in fact the references in Catherine, Princess of Wales are wrongly padlocked (which I will fix). Clarityfiend (talk) 02:43, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Oddly enough, a few Telegraph references are correctly blocked, which means I have to check all gazillion of them. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:01, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Can you please get the UK Daily Telegraph articles on this Peter Phillips article to be "Archived" - not padlocked? I hope you are not annoyed with my request. Thank you 115.70.23.77 (talk) 03:16, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

You'll need to get somebody else to do that. It's a fair amount of work to fix the princess's article. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:52, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Consider also what it's for. Namely, this: By June 2024, Phillips [the subject of the article] had introduced his partner, paediatric nurse and freelance writer Harriet Sperling (née Sanders) to King Charles and Queen Camilla. Sperling's father, solicitor Rupert Sanders (1946-2023), was invited to the 1969 wedding of his first cousin Timothy de Zoete at St Margaret's Church - next to Westminster Abbey - to Moyra Dawney, granddaughter of the 7th Duke of Buccleuch and a first cousin of Prince Richard, Duke of Gloucester. Sperling's great-grandmother, Dorothy de Zeote (née Courage (1877-1972), was the sister of Raymond Courage, Lord of the Manor of Edgcote. The siblings were members of the Courage brewing dynasty. Utter trivia, I'd say. -- Hoary (talk) 06:52, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Alternative language word count

Some entries are very brief. On such occasions it may be helpful to the reader to indicate the word counts of alternate language entries so that the reader can select the longest and presumably most detailed entry for translation. 153.222.34.188 (talk) 03:58, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

That may or may not have to do with clashing policies and guidelines across different language Wikipedias. The English Wikipedia is one of the ones that have the strictest policies, so information cited to sources considered unreliable isn't going to make it over here. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:44, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

regarding money

how to earn money in my home by online Attaullahsafety (talk) 11:05, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Not by anything to do with editing Wikipedia, which is the only topic which this Wikipedia Help Desk deals with. ColinFine (talk) 11:36, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

@Attaullahsafety I suggest you start by learning to use a search engine. Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:31, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Greenfields School vandalism

There has been vandalism by a user to Greenfields School claiming a source does not state what it states, namely:

"Greenfields, a small independent school perched on the corner of the Ashdown Forest, where some of the future leaders of Scientology are being educated"

Given the subject of this page some advice would be welcomed as to how to stave off this vandalism. Nofoolie (talk) 14:46, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

@Nofoolie You are in a content dispute with User:Chartinboy. The correct procedure, following our standard process is to discuss your opposing views on the Talk Page of the article, which neither of you have done. If necessary, you can seek a third opinion or move towards dispute resolution. Please do not just edit war as that helps no-one. We seek consensus for all article content. WP:ONUS is also relevant to any dispute. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:17, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. I wondered if there was the option, given the subject of the page, that edit-protection would be warranted. I do not see their claims being valid, and I see some funny business happening prior to their edits.

I will initiate a discussion on the talk-page with @Chartinboy but I suspect that despite the words being clear in the articles cited their intention is to remove that assertion from the page. Nofoolie (talk) 15:57, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Very happy to discuss - if there is a source backing up your claim I see no issue with it being included in the article, I've no interest in baselessly defending or attacking them, but the source you listed didn't support the claim you made. Chartinboy (talk) 16:11, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull Hi, I'd appreciate some assistance on the talk page of the article in question, if that's OK. It's just personal accusations rather than any helpful discussion and I'm not sure how to proceed. Chartinboy (talk) 17:28, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Nofoolie. Please do not use the word "vandalism" unless it is clearly that according to Wikipedia's definition: Vandalism. It seems to me that you and Chartinboy have strongly differing views about the subject, but neither of you is attempting to damage Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 18:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Marking jstor access

For the article Hadriana in All My Dreams, a few articles from JSTOR are referenced. A preview is available but they're only available for full through institutional access (like through Wikipedia library) or registration. I understand that all online sources should be marked with access levels, how should the JSTOR access be indicated? Jaguarnik (talk) 17:50, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Jstor (|jstor-access=) and DOI (|doi-access=) are presumed subscription only, and will only accept the value free. Folly Mox (talk) 17:55, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

See Template:Cite journal#Access indicator for named identifiers. DuncanHill (talk) 17:56, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Collins House And Granary

I can see that there was a previous article (280 words) along the the photo but won't let me access the article. How can I access the article? KarottGrossman (talk) 18:18, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure where you're seeing that information. If an article has been deleted from Wikipedia, then you can't see it, unless you're an admin. But it is possible that an admin will be willing to restore it for you to work on. See WP:REFUND. ColinFine (talk) 18:31, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Which photo is it that you're talking about? I can't find any evidence that there has ever been an article about that house. ColinFine (talk) 20:19, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

@KarottGrossman It is listed at the DAB page Collins House, with a link to a brief mention and photo on National Register of Historic Places listings in Whitman County, Washington. Is that the article you want to access? Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:13, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Publishing a Page

Hello! I created a wikipedia page and need assistance in publishing it. If someone can assist, that would be greatly appreciated Hemanthtdpli (talk) 22:33, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Ethan Baker. Deor (talk) 23:14, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

how to make this page public: Draft:Ethan Baker Hemanthtdpli (talk) 23:21, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

The draft will not be accepted as an article. It is almost entirely unsourced, and is clearly promotional. Read Help:Your first article, and then, if you can find the necessary sources, revise the draft to meet our policies and guidelines, adding the necessary citations, removing the promotional language etc, and then add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the draft to submit it, as instructed. AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:40, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for this information. I will follow that and submit. Thanks! Hemanthtdpli (talk) 00:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

June 25

Search box

Why was the search box removed from the top of pages so that only a magnifying glass remains. Please bring back the search box! Having a search box make it much easier to find the page you want when using a mouse! Disguy (talk) 01:55, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

@Disguy: This may be an issue with the default skin called Vector 2022. In your account preferences you can switch to a different skin, such as legacy vector. That's what I am using and I see the searchbox. RudolfRed (talk) 02:28, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, RudolfRed! Your reply really helped me! After reading your reply I learned that the search box disappeared because I had been switched to Vector 2022 while logged out. After I logged in to Wikipedia, I was switched to the MonoBook skin, which I disliked despite there being a search box. On your advice, I switched to the legacy vector which I like better! Disguy (talk) 15:03, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

It is only Vector 22 that replaces the search bar with a magnifying glass icon in narrow windows. Those of us who edit on bigger monitors don't see the problem. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:07, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Villa Mapelli Mozzi

References 1, 3 and 9 are all in red. Please fix, I cannot. Sorry! 115.70.23.77 (talk) 02:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

As the error message says, you need to fill in the "journal=" parameter any time you use {{Cite journal}} RudolfRed (talk) 02:29, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Rollback

I have roughly a hundred mainspace edits, and WP:ROLL says I need over two hundred to be a rollbacker, which I really want. Some of the time I have mistaken good-faith edits for vandalism, and the article says I need to demonstrate good judgement. How would be a good way to determine accurately what is vandalism, what should I categorize it as for a user warning, and how to be ready to ask for rollbacker status. Additionally, would I need to be extended-confirmed? Apollogetticax|^talk 03:43, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Here's an idea, Apollogetticax. Rather than amassing merit points so that you can acquire (humdrum) superpowers, just improve articles. While doing this, you will of course help the encyclopedia. You'll also read something of accusations (justified or unjustified) of vandalism, and denials (ditto) of vandalism, and from these will gradually get a pretty solid understanding of what is and isn't vandalism. -- Hoary (talk) 12:28, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

You have a fairly good record of undoing unconstructive edits. Feel free to make a request for the right at Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Rollback. Bear in mind that you should continue reverting as before when an expanation is required. Rollback is to be used only in specific cases, like obvious vandalism. I don't use rollback much myself, because most of the time when I revert, it requires an explanation in the edit summary. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:20, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Well, I have only around 125 mainspace edits. Isn't that too less for rollback? Also, I've only been patrolling for a week.

Either way, thanks for the encouragement and advice! I'll make sure to follow it. Apollogetticax|^talk 20:55, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

File:Mira Redina.jpg

How to nominate this fair-use image for deletion properly? There is the free replacement uploaded under the same name: c:File:Mira Redina.jpg. Quick1984 (talk) 03:58, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Quick1984. There are two possibilities: (1) remove the file from wherever it's being used and tag it with Template:di-orphaned non-free use per WP:F5, or (2) leave the file in place wherever it's being used and tag it with Template:di-replaceable non-free use per WP:F7. Regardless of which approach you follow, you should notify the uploader of the file as a courtesy. Moreover, if someone disagrees with your assessment of the non-free file, deleting it is considered contentious and you should start a discussion about it at WP:FFD.

If you follow approach (1), make sure you leave an edit summary clearly explaining why you've removed the image. If you follow approach (2), in addition to leaving an edit summary, it's also a good idea to use Template:Deletable file-caption and possibly post something on the article's talk page briefly explaining why you feel the non-free image is no longer policy compliant for future reference. Before you do either (1) or (2),though, you should be pretty sure (at least as sure as you can be) that the Commons file is something that's actually OK for Commons per c:COM:L. Lots of people upload files to Commons that ultimately end up being deleted (sometimes very quickly). You can ask about the Commons file at c:COM:VPC if you want other opinions on its copyright status.

Finally, since the local non-free file is shadowing the Commons file, you're either going to need to request a rename one of the two files or wait until the local non-free is deleted per F5 before adding the Commons file (the software will keep using the local file over the Commons file if you try to replace the former with the latter because the file name is the same). If you follow approach (2), you don't need to do anything regarding the file's syntax; the software will automatically replace the non-free with the Commons file after the former has been deleted. You should, however, make sure to remove the "deletable file-caption template" if you used one and also update the caption if necessary once the non-free has been deleted. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:36, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

The two images look like different scans of the same source photo. —Cryptic 08:00, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

@Quick1984: If the two files are bascially the same as pointed out above by Cryptic, then there's really no need for the local file to be deleted because only the copyright status of the original source (i.e. the film) matters. Since creating a screenshot or cropping an image are pretty much never considered sufficiently creative enough acts to generate a new copyright, you can simply convert the local file's licensing to the same one used on Commons and replace the non-free use rationale with Template:Information. However, you'll still need to deal with the file name issue if you either want to move the local file to Commons or want to use the Commons file instead of the local file. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:45, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

These are not scans but movie stills probably made closely in time to each other. Quick1984 (talk) 10:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

If both files are screenshots taken from the same film, then the only thing that would matter is the copyright status of the film. If the film is considered to be within the public domain, both screenshots should be OK for Commons. If, however, each image is from a separate publicity photo during the making of the film to promote the film, then the copyright status of each photo would need to be considered, I think. FWIW, I don't think either of the source websites provided for the non-free image should be considered the original source of that image; the two websites listed in the non-free use rationale's source parameter almost certainly got their version of the image from somewhere else; so, any claim of copyright ownership they might possibly claim wouldn't (at least in my opinion) be valid, -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:20, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Draft:William Boleyn Archdeacon of Winchester d.1582

I recently (last week) created an article in Article Wizard entitled William Boleyn Archdeacon of Winchester d.1552. I then tried to SUBMIT it but there was no SUBMIT button. After some difficulty I discovered that I could MOVE it out but it would not allow me to do so unless I changed the title (which I did not want to do). I didn't know what I should change it for but I gave it some new name and the MOVE was successful but there was no mention of a review. Since then I have received 2 incomprehensible and unreadable emails from your HELP desk and I have no idea where my article is or under what title. Can you find it for me? If you can please let me know whether or when it will be reviewed. Please don't send me loads of gobbledygook. I am NOT a computer man, just a user. Thank you, Andrewcliftonpayne Andrewcliftonpayne (talk) 12:13, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Andrewcliftonpayne, your draft is at Draft:William Boleyn Archdeacon of Winchester d.1582. You should be able to submit the draft for review by tapping the blue button at the bottom of the header, just above your text. Folly Mox (talk) 12:19, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Please add Welles Crowther to the list of notable alumni of Belmont High School, Belmont, MA

Dear Sir or Madame: I have noticed today that the list of the notable alumni of the Belmont High School (Massachusetts) does not have the name of Welles Crowther who was a hero of September 11, 2001 and was an alumni of this school. The article should absolutely include his name as well. Thank you in advance. Sincerely, Irina Matveeva Author of several Wikipedia articles 2601:19B:F00:AE0:E1FA:F42:50BB:2443 (talk) 15:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

In order to add Welles Crowther's name to the list of alumni, we would need published evidence that he attended that school. Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:14, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, multiple sources say he grew up in Nyack. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 17:45, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

According to his obituary, Welles Crowther attended Nyack High School and is listed as an alumni in that article. Cullen328 (talk) 17:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Best method for using {{sic}} template inside Reference tags?

I am sorry to ask what is probably a dumb question, but I've read the MOS/SIC material over multiple times and studied the SIC template enough to understand how to apply the SIC tag in the normal text of an article, but when I try to use it within a Reference tag, it does not display as I would expect, and I've grown frustrated with trial and error testing to get something that renders the SIC tag "properly" in the References section and adheres to WP best practice.

So, I'm humbly asking for help.

What is the best way to indicate that a typo exists in the source material within the Reference tag so that it shows up "properly" in the References section at the end of the page?

Note, I have read and understand the preference to silently correct trivial typos. This particular use-case is called into question when the typo is in the title of a referenced work, posing a risk to a researcher's ability to locate the source without making the typo part of their query. ShoneBrooks (talk) 15:28, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

The reason that doesn't work is that |title= in {{cite web}} becomes part of a link, but {{sic}} also makes a link. You can't have a link inside another link, so it breaks. I changed it to {{sic|nolink=y}}, which suppresses the inner link. Rummskartoffel 17:43, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Looks good. Thank you! ShoneBrooks (talk) 18:23, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

@Shonebrooks The documentation for {{sic}} says it shouldn't be used in CS1 and CS2 templates as it breaks the COinS data (which I confess I don't fully understand). All the template is doing is adding a wikilink to sic for the convenience of readers who don't know what the word means. Hence I would suggest just adding the simple text " [sic] " to your title, which will be OK for most readers. Using |nolink=y is going to suppress the wikilink anyway, so I can't see the point of using the template in this case. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:34, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Changing username

What is the best procedure to usurp an existent username (of an inactive user) and set it as my global user account name? — Yours Truly, ⚑ AtikaAtikawa 16:07, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

See WP:UNC. However, it doesn't seem like a good idea to request someone else's username as it might lead to confusion.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:15, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

the last time the guy was active was in 2006... — Yours Truly, ⚑ AtikaAtikawa 16:20, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

But why is it important to have his username? This would only lead to confusion.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:33, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

aighty then, will look up another name, thanks! — Yours Truly, ⚑ AtikaAtikawa 16:35, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

WP:USURPNAME would be the exat policy on this, but you can't usurp a username that was ever active here. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 17:35, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

That isn't true. I started out on Wikipedia as User:Amatulic, but my username in most other places on the internet is Anachronist. The name 'Anachronist' was already taken on Wikipedia, and it had one edit and hadn't been active for several years. Eventually that username was changed to something random because the account was abandoned (sort of like what happens with WP:VANISH) and the username became available. Now it's mine. You can usurp a username from an abandoned account that has edited. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:24, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

In your case the old account (Special:CentralAuth/Anachronist-retired) was apparently controlled by you, so of course you could have it renamed. More generally, the renamers are willing to ignore accounts with a de minimis number of edits. If the number of edits isn't de minimis then how long ago they are is irrelevant. There's no exact definition of "de minimis", though. But I've been thinking about renaming my account to just "Perry", which I probably can't do since Special:CentralAuth/Perry has 70 edits on German Wikipedia in 2006. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:41, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

No, it wasn't controlled by me. The only account I ever had before then was Amatulic, and I created that username because "Anachronist" wasn't available. I believe I created "Anachronist" accounts on other WikiMedia projects such as Wiktionary (this was before the global username thing was implemented), so I had "Anachronist" established elsewhere. I waited years before I could usurp that username here, in fact it didn't happen until long after I became an administrator with the "Amatulic" username.

I didn't request that the old "Anachronist" be renamed either. I can only assume that my other wiki-presences convinced a bureaucrat to rename it. There was, I recall, one edit in the contribution history (no longer there) in an article I had never touched. What happened to that edit, I don't know, maybe it's now in my own contribution history. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:58, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

m:Special:PermaLink/16050927 suggests otherwise. Note that accounts are (and were in 2016) global on all WMF wikis. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Maybe this is a stretch, but it seems like just maybe Anachronist knows what happened with their accounts back then better than you. Next time you think there's a discrepancy, better to ask them about it rather than tell them about it. As I recall, when accounts were being reconciled after global accounts came into being, this kind of statement was often needed before non-global accounts could be usurped. Floquenbeam (talk) 16:41, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

The user rename log is missing a rename here so I can understand Pppery didn't find it. The log for Anachronist only shows a 2016 rename to Anachronist-retired, an account controlled by the current Anachronist. The log for Anachronist-retired oddly shows a 2015 rename from Anachronist to Anachronist~enwiki where Anachronist-retired wasn't involved. Special:Contributions/Anachronist~enwiki shows a single 2002 edit so Anachronist remembers right. The log for Amatulic shows a rename to Anachronist. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:14, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Plot present tense

The Eternaut is a comic with a narrator character that introduced himself in the begining and then procees to narrate his story, from first-person perspective. Except for the prologue and epilogue (the character showing up to narrate his story, and his actions after doing so), everything in the story happens in the past. Should the plot be described in present tense anyway? Cambalachero (talk) 16:58, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

WP:FICTENSE said on the matter: "Conversely, discussion of history is usually written in the past tense and thus 'fictional history' may be presented in that way as well." So the answer to your question is no, for events that took place in the fictional world's past, it should be written in the past tense. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 17:07, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

MOS:PLOT, the guidance on plot summaries recommends narrative present and quotes Citizen Kane as an example where non-linear storytelling elements have to be explained in out of universe perspective.. WP:FICTENSE is part of an essay and recommends historical present tense, but makes an exception when talking about fictional history. TSventon (talk) 17:19, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

What to do if I disagree with notability reason for rejection

My biography article was rejected due to notability, but I do include a ton of secondary sources, also this person I am writing about is quite well known in the Buddhist world. I believe the rejection was done in error, because the reviewer did not see the many references that are secondary sources. It's possible the reviewer did not see those because they are interspersed among other sources that are primary (the biography person's own writings) but the reviewer may have missed the secondary sources in the references (there are 53 references there).

Most of the references in the "Chronology" section of my article are valid secondary sources.

These may have been confused with primary sources as follows: some of these sources are the audio talk or article of the person being written about. However, these are well known websites (such as dharmaseed.org) and I include those links because they contain an introductory paragraph about the author whose biography this article is about. If the DharmaSeed website writes the biography of Santikaro - isn't that a good enough secondary source? I include many such secondary sources but as I explained about the reviewer may not have followed them and may have thought they are primary sources.

I am not sure what to do - this person is hugely well known lay teachers of Buddhism in the West. How am I supposed to enhance or fix this article if I thought I already found all secondary sources out there that I could find. There are at least 10 in my list of 53 references. I am extremely dissapointed with this verdict because I believe it is super unfair. There are so many other teachers who do the same as Santikaro but have accomplished much less, yet they have a page on here.

Please advise on what I can do to find better secondary sources. Or if I could just resubmit this as-is, hoping for a more reasonable reviewer to do their job.

Thanks for any consideration! Peaceful-D (talk) 17:52, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

I suggest you begin a discussion with the reviewer who declined it. I suggest you point to your three best sources - if the reviewer was not impressed with the quality (reliability and independence) of many of the sources, then more sources would not improve things. ColinFine (talk) 18:05, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Peaceful-D. Your draft was declined not rejected. Those are very different outcomes. Your draft is over-reliant on primary and non-independent sources. The backbone of an acceptable Wikipedia article is the list of references to reliable sources that devote significant coverage to the topic and that are entirely independent of the topic. I recommend that you rewrite Draft:Santikaro to summarize what the highest quality independent sources say about him. Cullen328 (talk) 18:07, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Cullen328. There were 7-8 secondary sources, but hidden among many primary ones. In the rewrite I'll try to reduce the number of primary sources to articles by perhaps pointing to the parent website that contains each group. This way the secondary sources will stand out more. Peaceful-D (talk) 23:43, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Peaceful-D, be sure that your sources are entirely independent of Santikaro. That is required to establish notability. Cullen328 (talk) 23:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

ColinFine, I did what you suggested and asked politely. Thanks for your suggestion! Peaceful-D (talk) 23:45, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Peaceful-D, when you cite seven or eight sources for a simple uncontroversial statement, as in Draft:Santikaro#Chronology, it can give the impression that you are up to something fishy. I suggest that you reduce the citations to one (the best one, reliable and independent) in each case. Maproom (talk) 22:41, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Maproom. I understand. Will follow reducing citations to best one in Chronology. Peaceful-D (talk) 23:37, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

June 26

Dlaczego w tłumaczonych tekstach pojawiają się słowa pisane cyrylicą ( rosyjski, ukraiński)? Why do translated texts contain words written in Cyrillic (Russian, Ukrainian)? Jak to zmienić? How to change it?

Wiele nazw własnych jest napisane cyrylicą zamiast w języku polskim lub w oryginale po angielsku

Many proper names are written in Cyrillic instead of in Polish or in the original English Sergh Khan (talk) 14:04, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

@Sergh Khan, if you could give us an example of an article you're talking about, it'll help us understand what you're asking. Valereee (talk) 14:41, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Redirecting a Published page to a new published page

Hello,

I need to create a redirect from one published page to another. Is there a easy way to do this, or could someone explain the process to me?

Thank you. Will.Monroe FMDefense (talk) 14:58, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

@Will.Monroe FMDefense Does WP:Redirect help? It would be unusual to overwrite an existing article that has some content with a redirect to another article. That is what the process of merging is for. So it might be safest to explain here exactly what it is you want to do, so we can give further advice. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:19, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

The SEMT Pielstick page is linked on multiple US Navy Vessel pages stating that it is the propulsion for the vessel. However, this is incorrect because the SEMT Pielstick engine is manufactured by Fairbanks Morse Defense.

So, I would like to redirect the SEMT Pielstick page to the Fairbanks Morse Defense page. That way the link to the propulsion on the Vessel pages is correct. Will.Monroe FMDefense (talk) 15:29, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

I think, potentially, you've used the wrong wording, which is totally understandable. When we say "redirect", we mean to replace the content on a page with a template that, when you click on that page, it opens another article.

From what I can tell, you want to change individual links from within an article? Could you clarify which article? I found SEMT Pielstick, Fairbanks Morse Defense but no US Navy Vessel. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:32, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

I have linked an example here.

USS Detroit (LCS-7)

Next to propulsion it has "2 Colt-Pielstick diesel engines" linked. I would like this to link to Fairbanks Morse Defense, since that is the manufacturer of the engine.

Is the only way to replace this by making an edit on the USS Detroit (LCS-7) page? Or can I change the 2 Colt-Pielstick link to redirect to Fairbanks Morse Defense. Will.Monroe FMDefense (talk) 17:24, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Will Monroe FMDefence.

As a technical matter, you could edit the redirect page Colt-Pielstick to point to Fairbanks Morse Defense instead of to SEMT Pielstick: you can get to it by picking the link Colt-Pielstick, and then picking the message at the top of the page which says "(Redirected from Colt-Pielstick)".

However, I don't think you should do this for two reasons. The first is that it is not obvious that the change should be made: neither SEMT Pielstick nor Fairbanks Morse Defense mentions this engine, so neither the existing redirection nor your proposed redirection is currently supported by a reference.

Secondly, judging by your username, you have a conflict of interest in applying this change - in fact, I would guess that you are what Wikipedia counts as a paid editor. If this is so, you must make a formal declaration of this status (this is part of the terms of use - see that link for how to do it), and you may not directly edit articles associated with your employer.

So what I think you should do is

1. (assuming you are employed by FMD) make your formal declaration on your user page.
2. Request the insertion of a (suitably sourced) statement into Fairbanks Morse Defense explaining that the COLT-Pielstick engine was manufactured by FMD; otherwise the redirect will be unexplained to a reader that arrives there. You should not make this edit yourself, but should raise an WP:edit request at the talk page Talk:Fairbanks Morse Defense (this talk page has not so far been created, which is why the link is red).
3. Either on that talk page, or at WP:RFD, open a discussion proposing the change to the redirection.

ColinFine (talk) 19:08, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Songs about Texas

"Rivers of Texas" should be included on any list of songs about Texas. M William Wykoff (talk) 18:25, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

@M William Wykoff: I assume you are talking about Category:Songs about Texas. If so, the reason it is not included is because there is no article about the song: categories are simply designed to compile lists of Wikipedia articles in that category, and are not intended as an exhaustive list or even a list of the most prominent examples. If an article is written about the song it will be added to the category. Tollens (talk) 18:30, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

I have to say I am surpised that List of songs about Texas is a redlink though. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 18:31, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I was surprised too, especially given that there are similar lists for many other U.S. states. Tollens (talk) 18:36, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

https://balladofamerica.org/brazos-river/

Copyright violation removed --ColinFine (talk)

Vance Randolph’s monumental collection Ozark Folksongs. Randolph recorded it in 1942 from a woman named Irene Carlisle in Fayetteville, Arkansas, who had grown up in the area and was herself a folklorist with several academic articles and an MA degree on her resume.

there is a Neches River which flows through more than 400 miles of Texas. So the hired hand presumably sang “Neches” and Carlisle, being more familiar with Mississippi towns than Texas rivers, misheard it as “Natchez. M William Wykoff (talk) 00:36, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

@William Wykoff, do not post copyright material anywhere on Wikipedia. I suspect that the paragraph I have left is also a copyright violation, but I have not found a source, so I haven't removed it.

In any case, there is little point in posting material for an article on this page: it is unlikely that anybody is going to do anything with it. If you want to add material to an existing article, you can either do so yourself (bearing in mind that you should summarise what the source says, not reproduce it; and that generally we need reliable sources, which almost all blogs are not); or else post on the talk page of the relevant article, inviting people to help you to add the material. --ColinFine (talk) 09:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Change Photo

How can I change the photo on a persons page? I am the content manager for this person and they would very much like to update the photo on their page. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you Tubescreamer606 (talk) 22:40, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

If it is a living person, the photograph would have to be free to use, ie not copyrighted in any way; see WP:UPIMAGE. Also, representing another person on a professional level can lead to problems with a conflict of interest, but provided that the suggested photo is uncontroversial this shouldn't be a problem. However, please discuss any proposed changes to this person's article on the talk page if necessary.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 22:50, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

See WP:Donating copyrighted materials, in particular the §§ Donating your photographs​ and Granting us permission to copy material already online sections. And in addition to complying with our local conflict of interest guideline, which Ianmacm linked above, our terms of use require you to explicitly disclose your presumably-paid status. —Cryptic 23:06, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Tubescreamer606, I imagine that you are also known as Tuber Screamer 606 and that this is about Michael Guy Chislett (about which article, see Talk:Michael Guy Chislett). The current photo of Chislett is terrible; it should be easy to take a better one -- I mean, take it yourself by pressing the button on your camera (or phone); I don't mean filch it from elsewhere on the web -- and to upload it (not to Wikipedia but instead to Wikimedia Commons). In Talk:Michael Guy Chislett, announce that you too are being reimbursed. -- Hoary (talk) 23:12, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that would be me. It's something we have been trying to get changed for a while now. I have a photo that we have taken ourselves, but I am too inexperienced to know how to change it. Im sorry to be a bother, but if you can explain it to me like I am a 5 year old, that would be greatly appreciated. Or, if someone would be able to do it for us, even better! Tubescreamer606 (talk) 23:40, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

OK, five-year-old Screamer. You take a photo. (Then the copyright will be unambiguously yours, singular.) Then you go to Wikimedia Commons. (It's thataway.) Make sure you're logged in. (You can use the same login as for Wikipedia.) Click on "Upload file" and follow the prompts. When the photo is uploaded, announce on Talk:Michael Guy Chislett that this has happened. -- Hoary (talk) 23:51, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your help and easy description. I have uploaded and announced that I uploaded the photo for use on the page. I also requested that a change be made on the talk page. Tubescreamer606 (talk) 00:37, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

@Tubescreamer606 The photo update has been done, as you probably already know. Best practice here is now to place the {{Paid}} template on your userpage (currently a redlink) and also mention there that you previously edited as Tuber Screamer 606. Look at WP:VALIDALT for what sort of things you might do in future with that account but, for simplicity, just don't use it again. Once you have made the paid declaration, you can suggest future updates to Chislett's article via its talkpage. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:34, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Where to put dead link tag

On Jon Tester's page, there's this citation which links to a dead link: <ref name="almanac">[http://www.nationaljournal.com/almanac/person/jon-tester-mt/ "Sen. Jon Tester (D-MT)"]. ''The Almanac of American Politics'', National Journal. Retrieved December 10, 2011.</ref>

I was wondering where I'm supposed to put the dead link tag. Template:Dead_link wasn't particularly clear, since it only gave an example for a totally bare link and a few examples for CS1 citations. GrapesRock (talk) 23:32, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

You do not put it anywhere. Instead, you visit the Internet Archive and there see that the Wayback Machine has made plenty of scrapes of this page. You choose a suitable example among these, and link to that. -- Hoary (talk) 23:46, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Huh, so there are. One is edited in, thanks! I just looked at the earliest and latest archives and they both weren't good, so I assumed none of them were good.

I've recently been going through mis-marked dead links so I reckon that there is going to be a time that I encounter a perma-dead link for a citation of the format discussed above, so I'm still curious where I'd be supposed to put the tag GrapesRock (talk) 23:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

@GrapesRock: The examples of how to use the template {{Deadlink}} on its documentation page can essentially be applied to your example as well since they all add the template right before the </ref> syntax. As long as you do that, things should be fine. If you look at template's documentation page and find it to be sparce, you can always try asking on the template's talk page for help. You could also try clickiing on "What links here" in the left side panel of the template's page. Often you can get a good idea as to how to use a template by seeing how it's being used others, and "What links here" will show you a list of pages where the template is being used. Search hard enough and you should find an example of what you'd like t do. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:05, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

June 27

Wikipedia’s privacy policy

In corresponding with an organization about giving a photo with a copyleft license for their Wikipedia entry, they requested information about how to remove a semi-private studio address from their Wikipedia page. They’ve apparently had incidents regarding people coming to that address. What is the authoritative policy that is relevant in this situation? A Tree In A Box (talk) 01:07, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

@A Tree In A Box: There isn't one. Our privacy policies are about people, not organizations. We usually omit street addresses which aren't for public visitors but that's more about what is considered encyclopedic. I don't know the circumstances here. If it's the main address of an article subject and can be found on their website then we might show it. If it's a secondary location and they hide it from the public then we should probably omit it. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:11, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Person does not belong on page

The page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:German_military_personnel_killed_in_World_War_I contains the name of Karl Schwarzschild.

However, the article on Schwarzschild reveals that he died of natural causes after leaving the army. He was NOT killed. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Schwarzschild LarryWiki115 (talk) 02:47, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Resolved

Easy enough to fix. I've removed the category from his article. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:32, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Help in Chinese Wikipedia's block

I have been wrongfully and non-logically block in Chinese Wikipedia, but my Chinese Wikipedia's IPBE have been cancelled. I can't appear in my talk page and the unblock email have no reply. So what is the solution for this problem? --Gongxiang01 (talk) 03:59, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

@Gongxiang01 you were blocked for POV-pushing. Your TPA and email were not revoked, so, if you wish to address the issues and make an appeal, you need to place {{unblock}} on your talk page there. There's not much we can do about your block here. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 04:21, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

@CanonNi: Hi, your word wrong, my TPA edit is blocked, where I edit my Chinese Wikipedia's talk page, it say "Your IP address have been global blocked". --Gongxiang01 (talk) 04:30, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

https://imgse.com/i/pkyTGi6 is given link for my appearing tip. It let I can't be appear.

The block is completely to violated to the Block Policy. It had been not to give a more details about block. Gongxiang01 (talk) 04:45, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

@Gongxiang01 your IP address is locked because it is an open proxy, '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 04:58, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

@CanonNi Yes, it is. I only can using Open Proxy to visit Wikipedia. Do you know reason is GFW? Gongxiang01 (talk) 05:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

@Gongxiang01: Each of the local Wikipedias is separate project with it's own policies and guidelines; so, there's not really anything anyone here on English Wikipedia can do to help with a block on Chinese Wikipedia. You are going to need to ask about that on Chinese Wikipedia. There is, however, an English Wikipedia page at WP:OPENPROXY which explains English Wikipedia's policy regarding "open proxies". If you look in the left side panel under "Languages", you'll find there is a Chinese Wikipedia page related to the same topic at zh:维基百科:开放代理方针.Perhaps the information on that page will explain what you'll need to do to get your account unblocked. For reference, might also want to take a look at the Chinese Wikipedia page zh:维基百科:IP封禁豁免, which corresponds to English Wikipedia's WP:IPBE. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:14, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I only can ask the solution here. I want to get a way to unblock. Gongxiang01 (talk) 06:13, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

As explained to you above, asking here will achieve absolutely nothing for you, because there is probably nobody at all who reads this page who has any authority whatever to do anything in Chinese Wikipedia. It's like asking the local government of a foreign city to help you in your dispute with your city. ColinFine (talk) 09:07, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

English is too difficult

English Wikipedia's language is too difficult, it is hard to understand. Only Simple English Wikipedia can understand easily. It should be use a easier grammar, and expressions.

Is English Wikipedia not consider(考虑) to the foreign wikipedians? Gongxiang01 (talk) 05:07, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Gongxiang01, I'm sorry you have difficulty reading the English Wikipedia. Unfortunately the answer to your question is no: the English Wikipedia does not consider how easily readers with a limited understanding of English will be able to understand articles here; that is exactly the purpose of the Simple English Wikipedia and Wikipedias in other languages. If this Wikipedia were written in the same way as the Simple English Wikipedia, why have the Simple English Wikipedia at all? If you would like to read Wikipedia in Chinese, you may be interested in the Chinese Wikipedia. Tollens (talk) 05:12, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

I have been blocked from Chinese Wikipedia, please see also topic above this.

Can I consider the foreign Wikipedians? Gongxiang01 (talk) 05:33, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

A block of one person, rightfully or not, cannot cause us to entirely rewrite Wikipedia on their behalf. If you are able to understand the Simple English Wikipedia but not the English Wikipedia, the clear solution to me would simply be using the Simple English Wikipedia. Tollens (talk) 05:36, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

​ It's not clear what you're asking? Do you want to know whether you can read other language Wikipedias? Do you want to know whether you can edit other language Wikipedias?

Regarding reading other language Wikipedias, you should be able to do that as long as you can in some way access the Internet. Being blocked from editing Wikipedia doesn't prevent someone from reading Wikipedia; so,unless there is some kind of technical reason stopping you from accessing the Internet, you should be able to read pretty much any Wikipedia page in any language you want. Now, given that your previous posts are related to Chinese Wikipedia, any technical restrictions that might be in place where you live that prevent you from accessing the Internet or certain IP address are things that probably beyond the scope of this Help Desk and you will need to address on your end.

If you're asking whether you being blocked on Chinese Wikipedia will stop you from editing other language Wikipedias, then the answer is no. Each local Wikipedia is, in principle, separate from the others when it comes to blocks; so, being blocked on Chinese Wikipedia only applies to editing Chinese Wikipedia. The fact that you're posting here at the English Wikipedia Help Desk means that you're not blocked from editing English Wikipedia; so, as long as your edits comply with English Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, you should have no problem here on English Wikipedia. The same should also apply to any other language Wikipedia. It's only when an account is globally blocked that its unable to edit any of the various Wikipedia or other Wikimedia Foundation project pages.

Finally, if you're finding it difficult to understand the English used in the responses you're receiving, you can always try to use something like Google Translate (zh:Google翻译) to translate them into a language (e.g. Chinese) that you better understand. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:54, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

how to get total gdp by region?

how to get total gdp by region? 82.131.43.116 (talk) 05:38, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Is List of countries by GDP (PPP) what you are looking for? Tollens (talk) 05:40, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

here > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal) 82.131.43.116 (talk) 05:42, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

I am not sure whether or not you providing this link means your question has been resolved. If not, can you clarify exactly what you are trying to do? Tollens (talk) 05:46, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi! This is not for non-Wikipedia's question. For Wikipedia:Assume good faith, it may be you not understand that what place should you send.

See also: Wikipedia:Help desk/Are you in the right place - Wikipedia Gongxiang01 (talk) 06:36, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Lowell High School

Do Not Change Lowell High School San Francisco Wikipedia page 2601:640:8801:3100:A898:666:E9A0:1918 (talk) 07:44, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi IP editor. You've made some changes to Lowell High School (San Francisco), were you wanting to undo them? Your question is unclear. -- D'n'B-t -- 07:51, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

I wonder what's happening here. The OP changed the name of the principal from "Michael Jones" (with a reference) to "Karl Hoffman" (no reference). The external link to the school's official web site gives the message "This school's website has moved to a new URL or is inactive." https://www.sfusd.edu/school/lowell-high-school appears to be the school's real official web site, and names the principal as "Mike O. Jones".   Maproom (talk) 09:16, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

I dunno, I've reverted the IP edits and the page now Protected so, if the IP did want to make a change then they can explain what they were trying to do here or on the talk page. -- D'n'B-t -- 17:21, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

font too small: new wikipedia format after Microsoft Edge update?

fixing broswer preferences didnt help and i couldnt find any other guides regarding this issue. tried reinstalling the browser and tinkering with wiki account settings but no luck;

if anyone has any solutions to this, please help! tia Space011 (talk) 10:27, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Space011. Maybe an obvious question, but have you tried resetting the browser zoom? Go to the three dots menu ... in the top right corner, and adjust Zoom.

I'm on Edge and see no issues with the font size. Qcne (talk) 11:22, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

@Space011: You can also zoom with shortcuts: Ctrl++ for larger, Ctrl+- for smaller, Ctrl+0 for standard. It also zooms other content like images. If you are logged in with Vector 2022 as skin at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering then you hay have a glasses icon at top of pages to change text size. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Changing the name of an entry

Hi! I am working on an update to a page for a large institution that is undergoing an official name change. Is it possible to edit the page title of the current entry (I'm not finding that option), or do I need to create a new one and update the current one to say it is no longer?

Any help with understanding the best practice here would be grand. Thanks! Ucmturn (talk) 13:24, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

@Ucmturn pages are 'renamed' by moving them to a new location, see Wikipedia:Moving a page for more info. Since your account is not autoconfirmed yet, you may need to make a request at WP:RMTR. Before you make the request, please make sure that there are reliable sources confirming the name change. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 13:29, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

@Ucmturn the wording of your question suggests that you may be being paid for updating the page. If so you need to disclose this, see WP:PAID. TSventon (talk) 15:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

question re page location

could you please tell me what page here would provide details on the movement charter vote? I have been actually involved in the discussion on this elsewhere, but actually i don't know what is the location of that page here. Sm8900 (talk) 13:25, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

@Sm8900 the details are at meta:Movement Charter. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 13:30, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Help with {{italic title}}

I've got a case of {{italic title}} not playing nice in {{infobox book}} at Resistance (Star Trek). It's doing the default thing, which means "Resistance" (a novel) is italicized while "Star Trek" is not. I can't get it to italicize both, even with DISPLAYTITLE. I've encountered this before and would appreciate learning how to troubleshoot!   — TARDIS builder^✉     ★       15:04, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

@TARDIS Builder: Looks like @Cryptic has fixed it. Bazza 7 (talk) 16:18, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Notably good articles created by a banned or blocked user

I am aware of the G5 policy Wikipedia has. However, what if an article created by a banned or blocked user was actually a good article, well sourced, well written, and about a notable subject worthy of having its own page on Wikipedia? Is there no exception to the G5 policy? Per Wikipedia:Copyrights surely we are allowed to copy what was written in a deleted article from a banned or blocked user and repost it? I understand the purpose of G5 is to prevent further disruption to Wikipedia and Wikipedia:BLOCK and Wikipedia:BAN make that clear: to prevent further disruption. However, surely if the user has since been banned and the deleted article they created has been carefully analyzed and confirmed that it was actually a well written, well sourced, and good article, that such deleted article could be restored, even if it is simply copied and pasted by another Wikipedia user? What are the rules surrounding this? Inexpiable (talk) 16:38, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Inexpiable, the rules are short, see WP:BANREVERT. Note that G5 is for articles published by a banned editor after their ban, not those written before the editor was banned. See also WP:COPYWITHIN for rules on copying within Wikipedia. You could ask the deleting admin to copy to draft or ask at WP:REFUND if the deleting admin is not available. Whether a particular article is "actually a good article" is likely to be a matter of opinion. TSventon (talk) 17:23, 27 June 2024 (UTC)