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Discussion for Today

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This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024_November_3


November 3

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NEW NOMINATIONS

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Category:People of Mexican California

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Nominator's rationale: merge, the scope of the two categories largely overlaps. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:26, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:17th century in California

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Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated category with only two articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:58, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:War films set in Partisan Yugoslavia

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Nominator's rationale: rename in order not to get confused with Category:Films about Yugoslav Resistance. Align with Category:Films set in France during World War II. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:28, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Novels set during the Yugoslav Wars

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Nominator's rationale: delete, only one article in it and the novel isn"t really about the Yugoslav Wars. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:24, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Austromenidia

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Nominator's rationale: According to WoRMS, Austromenidia is no longer a valid taxon. This category's sole member (Odontesthes gracilis) is already in Category:Odontesthes, so there's no need for merging. jlwoodwa (talk) 05:32, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Musical instruments played with drum sticks

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Nominator's rationale: Why do these exist? They are not actual categories like Category:Hand drums or any of the Hornbostel-Sachs divisions. The latter is a duplicate of Category:Hand percussion. Why? I Ask (talk) 18:36, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. But I admit I do not understand nom's rationale. While Wikipedia rightly uses Hornbostel–Sachs extensively, we need not restrict ourselves to this scheme of categorisation, and nothing in Wikipedia:Categorization supports doing this. Nor do guidelines mention actual categories (or have I missed it?) whatever these are. On the other hand these categories each refer to a defining characteristic. At the very least, nom should clarify their rationale and relate it to the guidelines. Andrewa (talk) 21:15, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    (Note that Andrewa is the creator). To clarify using formal Wikipedia terms, none of these categories are defining per WP:DEFINING. In fact, to say a snare drum can be categorized by its beater is wrong. Sure, it is played with sticks, but also soft timpani mallets, brushes (a type of specialty beater), and rutes. Hell, see Swerve by Gene Koshinski. The snare is played with hands, a triangle beater, and a door stop, and it is among the more popular solos for the instrument. The implements used to play percussion are non-defining given the nature of the instrument family and can be confusing for readers. Bongos is a hand drum but it is also incredibly common to play with sticks. I could place nearly any percussion instrument into all three of the first categories and it would be, to a certain extent, correct. Thus, these categories are useless. Why? I Ask (talk) 22:17, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, it is no secret that I created this category. Nor is it relevant. I still get a !vote. Or do you see it as a COI?
    A snare drum is certainly played with beaters other than sticks... I regularly use rutes. But it can also be played using sticks, and most normally is. This distinguishes it from tympani and the conga for example. (In fact playing either of these with sticks risks damaging the head. I suppose it's no worse than a prepared piano but please don't try it.)
    So to say that to say a snare drum can be categorized by its beater is wrong is itself wrong, in my opinion. Andrewa (talk) 21:00, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I won't be WP:POINTY, but if I wanted to, using reliable sources, I could put nearly all percussion instruments into all of these categories (like I said above). And what defines a "specialized beater" versus "drum stick" versus "soft mallet"? This is another issue with these categories. Why? I Ask (talk) 07:28, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No need to be pointy. Just provide these reliable sources. All you have said so far is that you don't like these categories. Andrewa (talk) 09:12, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: The question of whether Category:Hand drums... is a duplicate of Category:Hand percussion (as nom seems to think) is a separate issue, but as the owner of several hand cymbals I have an opinion on this too. I thank nom for bringing it to my attention... some suspended cymbals are played and intended to be played by hand, for example my awesome Paiste Traditionals 11" thin splash (scroll down to it). So some work is needed on the hand cymbals redirect... Also created I notice by the nominator of these deletions. I am investigating sources and should have them to hand in a few days... See User:Andrewa/percussion sources. Andrewa (talk) 00:47, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: More participation needed to form consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:14, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ataeniobius

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Nominator's rationale: Ataeniobius is a monotypic genus. jlwoodwa (talk) 03:11, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Petroleum industry in Turkey

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Nominator's rationale: Category containing one article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 19:27, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I just noticed there is also a category called ‘Petroleum in Turkey’ so I put the page there instead. So as category now empty I suggest deleting it Chidgk1 (talk) 06:34, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on both Marcocapelle and Fayenatic london's comments?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:10, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reformed Christianity

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Nominator's rationale: Now that the main article has been moved to the correct title, these categories should also be moved according to the C2D criteria ('Consistency with the main article's name'). --Humpser (talk) 18:36, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Should "reformed" be capitalized?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:04, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • In the Netherlands they were also sort of synonymous, though Calvinist usually referred to the doctrine of the church and reformed was in the name of the church (Dutch Reformed Church etc.). In the Dutch situation, Arminians are considered to be neither Calvinists nor reformed, so the rename is perfectly ok. In Switzerland the rename is particularly useful because Calvinism and Zwinglianism quickly merged to reformed. That fits with Olson's statement quoted above that reformed is broader than Calvinist. Renaming the categories to reformed does not harm in that case (possibly there could be a Calvinist subcategory but I do not expect so.) If the rename is a problem somewhere else than in the US, Netherlands or Switzerland, I'd like to hear specifically in which country. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:08, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Lean opposed. Wouldn't this narrow the category? This seems like making a lot of extra work and narrow the category. Mason (talk) 02:14, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, I don't think it is. In any case, it certainly isn't broader than "Calvinist and Reformed". StAnselm (talk) 03:20, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:09, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Aviation accidents and incidents caused by fighter aircraft shootdowns

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Nominator's rationale: The category name is grammatically awkward, overlong, and overbroad. All incidents currently listed in the category involve airliners, creating a branch of Category:Aviation accidents and incidents that largely and needlessly duplicates Category:Airliner shootdown incidents. Such incidents should only be listed in one of these category trees. Additionally, the category potentially encompasses combat in war depending on the definition of "incidents"; this creates potential category overlap with Category:20th-century aircraft shootdown incidents and Category:21st-century aircraft shootdown incidents. (Relisting to seek clearer consensus; I CfD'd this category previously but drafted the nomination poorly and did not suggest a merger target.) Carguychris (talk) 14:20, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: The target has been renamed to Category:Airliner shootdown incidents involving combat aircraft. I will ping participants in the previous CFD.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:07, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Pppery and Smasongarrison: Thoughts on the above? HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:08, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm indifferent to the name, but I agree with Marco that we should keep the page history of the older page. SMasonGarrison 03:11, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Aris Limassol

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Nominator's rationale: Contains only Category:Aris Limassol FC, which is already in this category's parents (Category:Football clubs in Cyprus ⊆ Category:Sports clubs and teams in Cyprus, and Category:Sport in Limassol) – hence no need for merging. jlwoodwa (talk) 02:14, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Online-only games

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Nominator's rationale: This is not a defining trait, mostly because it not executed properly (can you imagine all browser games that require WIFI in existence already?) it also heavily conflicts Category:Multiplayer online games which mostly contains games only having a multiplayer online mode QuantumFoam66 (talk) 02:42, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why not merge and leave as a redirect? That would reduce the chances of this being created again. Mason (talk) 03:12, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Merge and redirect?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:51, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Merge and redirect?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:04, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alta California before 1824

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Nominator's rationale: rename, according to article Alta California, the province was called The/Las Californias until 1804 (and also contained Baja California) and was called Nueva California until 1824. Instead of The Californias as a rename target I would also be fine with Province of Las Californias, per article title Province of Las Californias. When there is no opposition I will add the year categories to the nomination too. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:31, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Large bundled nomination; relisting to give extra time for objections.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:53, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question: Should it be "The Californias" instead of "the Californias"? Mason (talk) 02:07, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: For discussion on whether it should be "The Californias" or "the Californias".
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:42, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Private schools Northern Beaches Sydney

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Nominator's rationale: Category created by a private school, duplicates and doesn't improve on the existing categorisation scheme at Category:Private schools in Sydney and subcategories such as Category:Private secondary schools in Sydney. AusLondonder (talk) 11:24, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Nomination favors deletion – should we merge? If so, to which targets?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:07, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: See above relisting comment
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:38, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:American soles

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Nominator's rationale: Category:American soles and Category:Achiridae duplicate each other. Defaulting to merging in this direction since Category:American soles only contains the eponymous American sole. jlwoodwa (talk) 00:33, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Artists who acted in films and television shows

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Nominator's rationale: We already have Category:Film actors and Category:Television actors we don't need this strange intersection. There are tens of thousands of articles on actors of differing genders and nationalities and we don't need another branch on this tree. Liz Read! Talk! 00:25, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Alexteroon

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Nominator's rationale: According to AMNH, Alexteroon has been synonymized with Hyperolius. jlwoodwa (talk) 00:23, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Albanian bishops

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Nominator's rationale: Contains only Category:Albanian Roman Catholic bishops. Unnecessary step in the category tree. jlwoodwa (talk) 00:06, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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