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Darby Lloyd Rains

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16 years ago when this was first nominated it was allowed on a technical sng pass and someone noted it needed sourcing. Well 16 years later it's entirely bereft of a reliable source and pornbio has been consigned to the ranks of deprecated guidelines. Fails gng and ent. Spartaz ^Humbug! 18:36, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Meets WP:NACTOR with at least three significant roles in notable films. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 19:14, 31 July 2024 (UTC) (Added a few sources, more sources exist).[reply]
Can you list the films and roles please

And the sources added? Ta Spartaz ^Humbug! 00:53, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please read the page, check page history and the link "edits since nomination" on this page. Thank you. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:19, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: Per nom. M S Hassan (talk | contributions) 09:18, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Except the nom's concerns have been addressed. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:09, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He obviously disagrees with your assertion. You stated she had 3 significant roles in notable films. What were they? The Wp:onus is on you to show what they are here. Spartaz ^Humbug! 07:37, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
’Obviously’? So the page still has no source? OK. I will assume good faith then. As for the rest of your comment, unless you are joking (it’s rather funny), I will assume good faith too: again, just read the page. You need to click on the title of the article on top of this page. I’m not going to copy paste the whole page here. And, by the way, what did you find during your BEFORE? Also, during the 1st AfD, the page was not ’allowed on technical sng pass’ but with a reference to (ANY)BIO (no technical mention of PORNBIO) and with a mention of ’definitely some claims to notability’. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:04, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Additional comment: Lloyd Rains also clearly meets the requirements for the notability of actors for another reason: her prolific and noted contributions to the field; and probably passes the threshold for general notability requirements given the amount of ’’multiple independent sources" mentioning her importance in the said field, her roles and performances..-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:21, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Reply to relist aside: Yes, we certainly are. Especially in the Golden Age of Porn and with directors and artists that had such a strong and honest conviction they were playing an important part in the underground culture of their time and in the history of film. Various films with Lloyd Rains are genre films (horror, thriller, etc) that go far beyond what could be described as "porn" in a derogative way. And various sources, some used as references in the article (you will note that I used no sources from inside the "adult industry" and they include extremely notable and reliable film magazines and scholarship) about her films and performance do indeed mention that point, some in awe at the quality of the productions and at Lloyd Rains's abilities as an actress (one review finds her acting "insufferable", though; and that's not my opinion, which does not count and has nothing to do with my !vote and reply). Now, one might disagree and consider the result has no value, is immoral, tasteless, shocking, silly and trash, and not like it. But it's definitely a "field" in my opinion and her contributions to it were clearly prolific, and noted. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 19:59, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aside: I was not even thinking about "porn" when I wrote my additional comment (but about film in general). But, yes, I do think "pornography" is a field. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:15, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'll close this discussion according to policy and consensus despite my own view of this "profession". Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:09, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I never doubted you would. Thanks. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:11, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You know that none of what you said relates to any policy and your assertion of special treatment of porn is belied by the depreciation of pornbio Spartaz ^Humbug! 10:22, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What are you even talking about? I don’t understand it but I do feel the tone and implication of your comment are rather not nice. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:06, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Guinea-Bissau–Spain relations

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Declined prod. This article is almost exclusively based on the Spanish Ministry of Foreign Affairs website (may have even be copied in direct translation). I could not find third party coverage to meet GNG. LibStar (talk) 23:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Embassy of Iceland, Ottawa

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Declined prod. Fails WP:ORG. Only a primary source has been provided. LibStar (talk) 23:08, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Access road to Zhukovsky

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Declined prod. Uncited for 11 years and fails WP:GEOROAD. Oppose redirect as unlikely search term. LibStar (talk) 23:03, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Unlikely to be a useful redirect. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 23:39, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Peller (comedian)

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A Stub-class assessed article, Not notable to be on mainspace, from the references provided, article fails WP:SIGCOV, no in-depth information as regards to weather it should be kept on Wikipedia as a stand alone article, there are little references from secondary sources, seams very promotional and I think it should be deleted, all I see is mentions and references about social media “Tiktok” which has nothing to do with Notability on Wikipedia. Getreallycool (talk) 22:39, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete no SIGCOV. Alexeyevitch^(talk) 04:21, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The entry passes the general notability guidelines per these sources here.

- Okanlawon, Taiwo (2 June 2024). "Five things you need to know about Peller". PM News. Retrieved 14 August 2024.
- Akinyemi, Femi (17 April 2024). "Peller: Teenage sensation taking digital world by storm". Nigerian Tribune. Retrieved 14 August 2024.
- Okanlawon, Taiwo (30 May 2024). "Meet Peller; TikTok newest sensation". PM News. Retrieved 14 August 2024.
- Alabi, Taiwo (13 February 2024). "The TikTok Titans of Nigeria: Top 5 Creators Making Waves". TheNEWS. Retrieved 14 August 2024.

I want to note that no form of WP:BEFORE was made by this apparently very new user before nominating an article for deletion. There argument that it is a stub article has nothing to do with notability nor does being a TikTok personality prevent one from being notable as noted in their nomination. Best, Reading Beans 07:30, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vibra Bank

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Does not appear to have been a notable bank. Was acquired by a bank which doesn't have an article, so it cannot be merged. Walsh90210 (talk) 22:37, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: It has to go per nom. Ednabrenze (talk) 07:41, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jasën Blu

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Nothing in this article makes the subject inherently notable, literally. Fails WP:NMUSICIAN or WP:GNG. The sources are run of the mill coverages and PRs for singles and so on. The few others that aren't PRs are promotional puff pieces. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:09, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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While @Vanderwaalforces is correct about the status of this article's subject specifically regarding WP:NMUSICIAN, it does seem to fair slightly better by WP:GNG given a number of the citations point back to reliable sources such as major publications. Also, the subject appears to be an up and coming musical act with not very much but nonetheless, a number of verifiable articles citing solo works and in a few more cases, co-citations with notable subjects via creative associations. On a recent edit to this article, I noticed a few bigger publications confirmed hitherto unverified sections, and replaced the citations on the affected section. If the subject is essentially an upcoming musical act gaining decent coverage for its works, a better alternative might be to watch article for a while for any improvement on its adherence to WP:NMUSICIAN, before an outright deletion. Kevtutado (talk) 01:47, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hares Youssef

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BLP which relies mainly on self-published sources for a range of self-promo claims. Many of the sources were duplicates (to increase the apparent numbers perhaps). No proof of anything. Given his mention in the FinCen files I have major reservations about the accuracy of anything here. Not verifiable, no independent notability coverage so delete or merge into contentious pages such as Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory. Ldm1954 (talk) 22:32, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Temple, Indiana

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The cited history calls this Temple Station, which is what it looks like. I'm not seeing evidence it ever actually developed into a town. Mangoe (talk) 17:28, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment
- A. Temple seems to have gotten "Temple" platted at least in the 1920s.
- It's on this 1950 census map.
- Post office applications in 1903 and 1933 just reiterate that it was between English and Marengo. One of the PO applicants was A. Temple.
- This history suggests it was on a historic road of pioneer days, and later supported a school and a church.

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Delete, along with all the other articles on unincorporated places. What is the point of these? If anyone thinks they are worth having at all, could they not be moved to a new article List of unincorporated places, with appropriate sub-headings Indiana etc.?
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@Liz thanks for the ping. it's definitely not a keep vote. I love expanding geo-stubs and ghost towns articles to save them from deletion, but this one has a vanishingly thin trail, and is probably not encyclopedic, but I just don't have any enthusiasm for it either way. If someone wanted to improve it, maybe those links could help? I'm an inclusionist for the most part so my personal bar to actively vote delete is very high. jengod (talk) 23:52, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, simply because there is a paper trail and there's many, many other communities that don't even have that, much less any info about it written on Wikipedia. It is also listed on Google Maps as Temple. SouthernDude297 (talk) 20:05, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Samsun clashes (1920)

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Article doesn't seem notable, sources are not reliable or verifiable. Insanityclown1 (talk) 20:28, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment tr:Samsun is featured but as far as I can tell does not mention this - I have linked this discussion on that article talk page in the hope someone knows better than me. Also if the clashes with British were significant I guess one of you military experts can find an English language source Chidgk1 (talk) 06:39, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've searched and have not found anything. Insanityclown1 (talk) 15:17, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They have replied by pointing me to tr:Samsun_tarihi#Millî_Mücadele_sırasında but I am not competant to say which of the cites in that are reliable Chidgk1 (talk) 08:52, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tal Afar uprising

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This doesn't seem like a notable event. There are no records cited of casualty figures or combatant numbers. The British commander isn't even noted. Not to mention, this article is written pretty poorly and with a clear nationalist slant. Insanityclown1 (talk) 20:33, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Did the nominator conduct a WP:BEFORE search? The nominator would benefit from reading WP:NEXIST and WP:DINC. Curbon7 (talk) 20:42, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: I will note that Chapter 8 of British Miscalculations does give some coverage to this rebellion (though they at times write the name as Tal'Afar). The introduction of the same book also comments as follows: The Fall of Tal Afar in June 1920 was the signal for a general uprising of all the tribes in the north. It spread to the middle of the Euphrates, and the position became serious. There are other works I see that describe it as the "Mesopotamian Rebellion of 1920", if that would help with a source search. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 18:03, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dirk Van de Put

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Doesn't meet WP:NOTABILITY, except with reference to other articles (i.e. Irene Rosenfeld and Mondelez International). Tule-hog (talk) 22:43, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: He is a prominent CEO, so I guess I'm testing deletionist waters with this. Does read a bit like a resume, which could just need attention.

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Keep, prominent CEO with enough coverage to meet the GNG (although the article is lacking) Microplastic Consumer (talk) 23:09, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Chairman and CEO of a Nasdaq 100/S&P 100 company. Plenty of reliable source content that could be added. Tule-hog should familiarise themselves with WP:BEFORE. Edwardx (talk) 10:50, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Black Liberation and Palestine Solidarity

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No sigcov anywhere, no reviews, I found it cited a few places but no commentary. Redirect to author Lenni Brenner? PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:53, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Black-Palestinian solidarity. I haven't found sigcov of this volume either. I don't think a redirect is appropriate in this case, since this is a reasonable search term for the broad topic, which is notable. Our article on it is at Black-Palestinian solidarity, and this title should redirect there instead of to Lenni Brenner. -- asilvering (talk) 01:40, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:07, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I originally made this as a delete vote, but I'm changing it to redirect since I don't see any good reason to delete the history. -- asilvering (talk) 02:40, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per Asilvering: Found nothing other than the mentioned cites on ProQuest. Nil elsewhere online as well. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 13:23, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Should not redirect and instead Delete.~~ Cant find useful reviews either. ~~The redirect target is to a broader topic and this is a book.~~ Bluethricecreamman (talk) 01:22, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bluethricecreamman The content of what used to be the redirect don't matter, it's the name, and there really isn't any pressing need to delete the page history PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:23, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OHH. for some reason read it as "merge" i guess and didnt realize. Whoops.

Redirect! Bluethricecreamman (talk) 01:27, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bluethricecreamman, @Red-tailed hawk below has given a different redirect target than I did, so you should probably specify which you prefer. -- asilvering (talk) 20:35, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For what it's worth, my reasoning for pointing it at the author is WP:DIFFCAPS, since the redirect would be title case. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 01:16, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - no Wp:RS, not a likely search term. Bearian (talk) 00:18, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Lenni Brenner#Bibliography, where the work is mentioned on its author's biographical entry. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 17:46, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I oppose deletion, and of the redirect targets I am marginally in favor of Lenni Brenner#Bibliography, but the more general topic would be fine too. PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:04, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for weighing in, PARAKANYAA. Although I guess you stated your preference in your nomination statement.Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:35, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To be fair, my rationale was given before an alternative was proposed, and my response was ambiguous as to whether I would prefer that or not. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:38, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Klover

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I'm not completely sure that this band is notable. I was able to find a description of the band in Trouser Press, a brief review by Robert Christgau (!), a brief review by Visions [de], and an interview with a bit said about Klover. Edit: Wow, I didn't even notice that two of those are already linked in the article. toweli (talk) 00:22, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The sources uncovered by the WP:BEFORE are good. A bit slight for a standalone article. Therefore a slight merge to Gang Green#Second hiatus (1990–1995). There are a number of possible redirect targets; I chose this because of what Trouser Press wrote: "Klöver has roots in the mighty tradition of Boston’s Bud-guzzling skatepunks, Gang Green, in the persons of guitarist Chris Doherty and drummer Brian Betzger. [...] As of early ’96, however, Klöver had folded and Gang Green was back in action." Geschichte (talk) 08:19, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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There are usually some reliable sources to be found for major label albums released before the early/mid-2000s, when both the print media and music businesses were healthier. There are mid-to-longish articles in The Morning Call, The Boston Globe, and Telegram & Gazette, with reviews in the Daily Herald and Daily Breeze. An entry in the Encyclopedia of Punk Music and Culture--can't read it, but I'm sure it's only a small paragraph or two... Caro7200 (talk) 23:45, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per sources above. Seems like a decent article could be written here. An editorial merge decision could be done later if future people disagree. PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:56, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mai Moncaster

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I am unable to find enough significant coverage from third-party sources to meet the general notability guidelines. Biographies of living persons require independent sourcing. An WP:ATD is to draftify the article while more sources come up. JTtheOG (talk) 22:15, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Subhash Shinde

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Non-notable makeup professional. There's a long list of films that are unverified. Brief mention in this article but that doesn't meet WP:GNG. Other search results are various social media accounts. ZimZalaBim ^talk 22:00, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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NRG360

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Merge into Makor Rishon. Brief article on a website that disappeared into Makor Rishon. Best merged into Makor Rishon at Enwiki as well. Using AfD in order to keep the cleanup of the Israeli news websites together. Please take a moment also to express your opinion at the other AfDs in this series! gidonb (talk) 21:24, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Russell Humphreys

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Fails WP:NBIO and WP:NPROF among others. All sources seem to be to those non-compliant with WP:FRIND. Moreover, quite a few of them are to the subject himself. jps (talk) 21:13, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. The only case for notability appears to be as a fringe theorist. But per WP:FRINGE and WP:V, we need reliable sources in mainstream sources to provide a neutral mainstream view on these theories, and I found none. If we had enough reliable (mainstream) reviews of his book we could retarget this as an article about the book with a redirect from his name, but I didn't find any of those either. —David Eppstein (talk) 23:18, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment YEC isn't "fringe" in any meaningful sense, and Young Earth creationism doesn't label it as such; it's a religious perspective, and WP:FRINGE directly addresses this: For example, creationism and creation science should be described primarily as religious and political movements and the fact that claims from those perspectives are disputed by mainstream theologians and scientists should be directly addressed. Thus, comments on his scientific ideas by theologians would be addressing the topic directly and potentially count towards notability, and the search can't stop with scientists. Jclemens (talk) 00:06, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Being at odds with pretty much all sciences it touches" is a meaningful sense of "fringe". So, yes, YEC is very much fringe. --Hob Gadling (talk) 05:40, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Time dilation creationism

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Fails WP:NFRINGE. I find no notice of this by WP:FRIND sources. Only creationists seem interested enough to comment. Wikipedia really is WP:NOT for discussing every flight-of-fancy that a creationist has about how to reconcile their religious beliefs with scientific facts. jps (talk) 20:42, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete No evidence of meeting notability guidelines, which would be provided by significant coverage in non-crackpot sources. AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:06, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep per WP:FRINGE creationism and creation science should be described primarily as religious and political movements and the fact that claims from those perspectives are disputed by mainstream theologians and scientists should be directly addressed. Nom admits this is a religious, not scientific topic, and yet proposes to apply scientific article criteria to it, making this nomination completely erroneous and hence eligible for speedy keep per SK#3. The religious sources are sufficient and appropriate (independent, etc.) for GNG to be satisfied. Jclemens (talk) 00:47, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What an absurd argument. Creationists routinely present their arguments as 'scientific', and are clearly doing so in this particular instance. Just read the sources cited. Pseudoscience does not cease to be pseudoscience when promoted to support religious faith. AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:05, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Of course they do. And when they're doing so on a religious basis, religious rules apply, not FRINGE. Sorry if you don't like the guideline, but I didn't write it. Jclemens (talk) 05:20, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To add to the above, the suggestion that the religious sources being cited are 'independent' is both questionable and irrelevant, since they clearly aren't reliable sources for anything but the beliefs of their own authors regarding an obscure theory. Nothing is cited that establishes that this particular pseudoscientific hypothesis is even significant within creationism. AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:26, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I stripped out the science WP templates from the talk page as being non-relevant. The stub template was changed from cosmology to creationism. Beyond that I have no particular preference; it's pure pseudoscience so astronomy isn't all that relevant. Praemonitus (talk) 03:02, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Lacks notability in RS. Hemiauchenia (talk) 04:41, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It should be kept in mind that the primary focus of the article is not scientific, but religious. It is a theological doctrine more than serious science. Thus it should be viewed with the criteria of a religious article. I did not intend to promote this thing when creating the article and I did not intend to promote fringe theories, but I thought that the article should be there to represent different religious doctrines. And as someone else already noted, WP:FRINGE reads: creationism and creation science should be described primarily as religious and political movements and the fact that claims from those perspectives are disputed by mainstream theologians and scientists should be directly addressed. Thus the point of the original deletion request does not seem to be valid. As a religious doctrine, there seems to be just enough coverage for it. --ValtteriLahti12 (talk) 05:53, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. There's nothing to indicate that this is an independent 'theory' in its own right rather than just an epicycle or fudge factor to try to get creationism to fit the observed facts. Could be appropriately and adequately covered here. Brunton (talk) 07:05, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I would be fine with moving the contents to another article if the topic is deemed not worthy of a separate article by a consensus. --ValtteriLahti12 (talk) 07:14, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ali Alipour (weightlifter)

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fails notability. another article with fake information. this guy won gold medal in Asian "Junior" Championship which is not notable enough. and that part about "first place in the Olympic selection competitions held in Asia" is completely wrong. he didn't achieve anything notable yet. Sports2021 (talk) 20:38, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hanieh Akhlaghi

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Fails notability, most things in this page is wrong and fake. she never won a medal at the World Championship (but Military Games) , she also never won gold medal in the Asian Games 2013. she has no important achievement to make her notable. Sports2021 (talk) 20:34, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I made some corrections to the article. I changed the gold medal in the table from World Championship to World Military Games, the Asian Games weren't held in 2013, and she did appear at the 2015 world championships (but lost in the round of 16). Her gold medal in 2013 was in a youth division, which is not considered to show WP notability. The World Military Games have never been thought to show WP notability in the martial arts--a number of American martial artists who won medals there have had their articles deleted. Some of the women's TKD divisions didn't even have enough competitors to award the 4 medals (gold, silver, 2 bronze) allocated. The other events mentioned are minor ones. Other than results reporting, I don't see sufficient significant independent coverage to meet WP:GNG and nothing to show WP:NSPORT or WP:MANOTE is met. Papaursa (talk) 23:37, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Verónica Rodríguez

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Subject is a fairly unremarkable pornographic actress, cited almost exclusively to industry press and the IMDb-equivalent database for that industry. She has music ventures outside of that field, but none rising, as yet, to an encyclopedic level of notability. BD2412 T 19:09, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Has enough coverage to meet WP:GNG and has either won or been nominated to several awards in the industry. --NoonIcarus (talk) 23:58, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @NoonIcarus: Can you specify what in the article you think constitutes reporting in reliable sources "enough coverage to meet WP:GNG"? As far as I am aware, we do not count nominations towards industry awards towards notability, and the single "win" indicated in the article is not for any of the major industry awards. BD2412 T 00:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1][2], to give some examples. --NoonIcarus (talk) 00:40, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kothha (TV series)

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Only one source on the page. A WP:BEFORE search for ("Kotha" Bengali serial) has four hits on GNews and other search only shows WP:NEWSORGINDIA. CNMall41 (talk) 18:46, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Star_Jalsha#Current_broadcast -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:57, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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T&M Protection Resources

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Don't see any material RS coverage, fails NCORP. CEO is new commissioner of the New York Fire Department, so he's notable, but don't see any evidence the company is. BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 17:22, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Anguilla at the 2014 Commonwealth Games

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Lacking in-depth secondary source coverage. Unnecessary fork. Many of these articles have already been deleted, see AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dominica at the 2010 Commonwealth Games. AusLondonder (talk) 14:23, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Article is sourced. The previous discussion (which I started) were articles that only stated the country competed, with no other information. Those should be deleted. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 14:30, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Three primary sources? AusLondonder (talk) 14:36, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think you need to review what primary sources are. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 14:41, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here are other sources and the nominator clearly did not do a WP:BEFORE. These all mention Anguilla's appearance at the games. Together it should be just enough to pass WP:GNG.
[3], [4], [5], [6] and [7], [8] Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 14:30, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong merge to Anguilla at the Commonwealth Games. A bad idea for a standalone article, in that the potential for growth is limited. Geschichte (talk) 17:55, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As a WP:ATD, Id agree (especially for the smaller CGAs) Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:52, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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1977 Allentown mayoral election

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Okay, this will be thorough on this one, since lots of these mayoral election deletions have ended as trainwrecks for me. This article is a vialation of WP:NEVENT, as it fails to have significant lasting coverage that fails to qualify. THERE IS NO AUTOMATIC NOTABILITY FOR MAYORAL ELECTIONS, as shown here, here, here, here, and here of articles of similar size or larger to Allentown.

A quick WP:BEFORE fails to find any significant lasting coverage as well on Google or ProQuest.

Now, it looks like the article is long, so it must have good sources? Not to establish notability. Let's see if any of these sources match the description of "An event is presumed to be notable if it has lasting major consequences or affects a major geographical scope, or receives significant non-routine coverage that persists over a period of time. Coverage should be in multiple reliable sources with national or global scope." per WP:EVENT.

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Source assessment table: prepared by User:1ctinus
https://www.mcall.com/2016/10/14/frank-fischl-decorated-air-force-pilot-and-former-allentown-mayor-dies-at-89/	~		Local obituary, mentions the election for a single sentence	✘ No
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/284052961/	~		WP:ROUTINE mill coverage about a TV program/debate	✘ No
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/280057542/	~	?	WP:PRIMARY	✘ No
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1981/08/12/Political-contribution-from-the-grave/1905366436800/			No coverage at all? The citation says "Daddona's unsuccessful 1969 campaign", not 1977. Either way, its barely lasting coverage, just an offhand sentence in a UPI article.	✘ No
https://www.mcall.com/2004/12/12/whatever-became-of-former-allentown-mayor-frank-fischl/			Scope of the coverage of the election in the article is "Fischl beat out incumbent Joe Daddona. Daddona later succeeded Fischl, who didn’t seek a second term.". While it is lasting, this is not significant.	✘ No
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/283995190/			NOT ABOUT THE ELECTION, BUT ABOUT FISCH DECLINING TO RERUN	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

If deletion seems too much, I propose two alternatives:

Merge all the Allentown mayoral election articles for future maintainability and navigability
(which is better in my opinion). Redirect to Frank Fischl, which most of the coverage seems to be on.

Before I end, a quick note to administrators and voters: please remember to use actual Wikipedia policy instead of using or endorsing arguments like "I like Pennsylvania history, so this must be important" or "this is useful information". These are both arguments to avoid in deletion discussions. Wikipedia is not a database, or an indiscriminate collection of information. I am limiting this to one article at a time to avoid a trainwreck nomination. -1ctinus📝🗨 19:05, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose on precedent you can't just delete one of the Allentown elections. you'd have to delete all of them. Scu ba (talk) 03:26, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I’m trying to avoid a WP:TRAINWRECK and a procedural close. This happened previously -1ctinus📝🗨 04:03, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Still doesn't change the fact that as an Allentown election, it is notable enough to warrant a page. You'd have to challenge Allentown, the third largest city in Pennsylvania, as not being notable enough to have it's election pages exist. Scu ba (talk) 00:15, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Scu ba: I don't agree with that at all. It is appropriate to evaluate each election article on its own merits. AusLondonder (talk) 15:04, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
regardless of it's current citations, Allentown is the third largest city in Pennslyvania and as due to this it's elections are notable enough to warrant a page. should we go and delete the 2009, 1997, 1993 or really any pre 21st century buffalo election pages? Deleting election pages for major municipalities breaks precedent. Scu ba (talk) 00:14, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I listed articles that clearly show that there is no precedent for municipal elections to be inherently notable in the top. -1ctinus📝🗨 00:19, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The elections you listed where for minor cities, such as Fontana, California, which is the 21st largest city in California. Allentown is the 3rd largest city in Pennslyvania. There is no consensus that minor towns elections are notable enough, however, major cities warrant their elections having pages. Scu ba (talk) 00:44, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fontana CA is still a larger town than Allentown by over 90,000 residents. -1ctinus📝🗨 01:03, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(and the answer for the Buffalo elections is they probably aren’t notable if they lack significant coverage.) -1ctinus📝🗨 00:35, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No. they're notable because they're elections in Buffalo, the 2nd largest city in NY. Scu ba (talk) 00:44, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which policy states that an election is notable automatically because it’s a large city? There is none to my knowledge. -1ctinus📝🗨 01:02, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No jurisdiction gets a free pass from notability requirements. AusLondonder (talk) 15:50, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete local level election which received no clear coverage from outside its local area. SportingFlyer T·C 17:47, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

World Championship of Legends

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No evidence of WP:SUSTAINED coverage to pass WP:GNG- WP:REFBOMBing the lead with a few articles listing the people playing is not significant coverage. This is yet another example of an article that falls foul of WP:NOTINHERITED- just because some notable people played in the event, this doesn't make the event itself notable, as it's a clear GNG failure. User created this article after being suggested not to unless it met WP:GNG: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket/Archive 94#Create a page on 2024 World Championship of Legends, but decided not to listen to advice. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:35, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Randi Cogan-Shinder

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Article previously deleted as "(Expired PROD, concern was: Almost every single claim is not supported by the source. Many sources are unreliable, or make only trivial mention, or a primary like interviews and press releases.)" Nothing seems to have changed since. Refbombing seems to be mainly low-quality sources, largely involving regurgitation of press releases. Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:NBUSINESSPERSON. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 16:29, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Godenu

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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources. Some of the sources linked in the article (like the first and third) don't even mention "Godenu". The fourth source mentions Godenu only once, as the "Gbi-Godenu Volta Region IFAD/SCIMP Project", seemingly a different thing. The second source does mention Godenu, but it's pretty brief. Other sources linked aren't reliable or aren't independent. I can find mentions of Godenu, like in this article, but that's it. toweli (talk) 16:21, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ntractive

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No establishment of notability Amigao (talk) 16:21, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: Page had been overwritten by an IP contributor to talk about an entirely different company. I have since reverted all edits since that point. @Amigao, not sure if you want to take a look at the restored article for whether that meets notability standards or not. Ham tech person 19:07, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Even before the hijacking, most sources are press releases. Aaron Liu (talk) 18:46, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Gabardine (band)

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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources. There's a brief biography of the band on AllMusic, it's mentioned in a review of another band's album ("Bemberger, Hughes and Peterson also played together in an obscure band called Gabardine, which released one EP before disbanding in 1998.") and there's another description here (I have no idea if Hard Noise is reliable). toweli (talk) 15:53, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Saddle Creek Records. It's hard for one-release bands to have gotten enough coverage to meet WP:NBAND. That being said, Gabardine is tied to other bands through former members, making redirect a better option than delete IMO. Geschichte (talk) 10:44, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Make-up Designory

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Non-notable beauty school. Only stories available after a quick search on news.google were a handful of press-release-like mentions. ZimZalaBim ^talk 15:58, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Absolut Citron

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Doesn't meet WP:NPRODUCT. Possible AtD is merging it as a new flavour section at Absolut Vodka, but there's very little content that would be eligible. AlexandraAVX (talk) 15:09, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete and redirect to Absolut Vodka. At most this is a passing note in the Absolut Vodka article, not a stand-alone thing. /Julle (talk) 15:40, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Grove Street Games

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Doesn't appear to pass WP:NCORP, only local coverage or related to Rockstar. Maybe redirect to List of video games published by Rockstar Games? IgelRM (talk) 15:08, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Lots of repackaged press releases and passing mentions, but I don't see any significant coverage. Donald Albury 17:32, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of NCAA Division I FCS football independents records

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A consensus emerged at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of NCAA Division III independents football records that a list like this fails WP:NLIST and WP:NOTDIRECTORY, because this is a group of loosely-related teams that are not in conferences. A merge to a different article would also be difficult for undue weight issues, as expressed in the previous AfD. A similar AfD (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of NCAA Division II independents football records) resulted in a soft deletion. Eagles 24/7 (C) 14:58, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Why don't we just merge all these into a List of NCAA football independents records? BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:02, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP per WP:PURPLIST, this list is "a valuable information source. This is particularly the case for a structured list. Examples would include lists organized chronologically, grouped by theme, or annotated lists." For decades, newspapers that report conference football standings across the United States routinely also have listed the standings of non-conference independent teams. This has long been a very common way for the press to provide this information. This concept was not invented on Wikipedia. Jeff in CA (talk) 19:16, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

JSS Private School

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This is WP:ADMASQ. My BEFORE search only revealed primary sources and passing mentions. Fails WP:V, and fails WP:NSCHOOL. This is a WP:GNG failure 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 14:55, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as nommed, purely promotional with no sign of notability. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:27, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

LM358

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A common commercial op amp. In my opinion it does not meet the Notability criteria to warrant its own article. Did not find sufficient independent coverage. It is mentioned but not in depth. As opposed to the 741, which has evident historical significance, the LM358 is not particularly special or impactful in electronics literature. Alan Islas (talk) 13:05, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My main issue with deleting LM358 is that it's a widespread, industry-standard "jellybean" part - they are everywhere, source-able from multiple manufacturers, used in places ranging from audio applications (now obsolete?) but also motion and light sensors, power supplies etc. Perhaps it's so common that it's invisible!

EEVBlog video "The TOP 5 Jellybean OPAMP's" which mentions LM358 right off the bat - "they specifically call it an Industry-Standard op-amp, because it pretty much is"
"Two commonly used op-amp ICs, the LM324 and LM358, have been the go-to choice for engineers and hobbyists alike"
"The ubiquitous LM324 / LM358 / LM321 ... TS321 op-amp family ... who has not used one of these in a design .. ?".

Even the reference on List of LM-series integrated circuits states "Several generations of pin-compatible descendants of the original parts have since become de facto standard electronic components."

I don't know if there's enough "real" sources available to keep this, but as ICs go there's more in this world than, say, 68030s...

Some options might be to expand this article - talking about its ubiquity rather than its characteristics perhaps - or else merge this in Operational amplifier (a new category of "other historically significant opamps"?), or spin it into a general article of historically significant opamps.

Note that there is also the LM324, a quad-channel op-amp in a similar category, and the LM321 (single-channel version). Neither of these have an article, though. Hornpipe2 (talk) 15:05, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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consider WikiProject Deletion sorting/Engineering as well Hornpipe2 (talk) 19:05, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Could use a tiny bit of work but I do not see why this should be deleted at all. Already a lot of other similar articles but for different part numbers and they all seem in-line with what is needed. If it must be deleted then please make sure all these parts and their info end up somewhere else - I could see all of these part numbers being combined into a single article perhaps or grouped by similar function. But I think it's fine the way it is / just needs some TLC. Colinstu (talk) 10:42, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dean Hawkshaw

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Hawkshaw fails GNG with a lack of SIGCOV. Dougal18 (talk) 11:59, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I don't see nothing wrong with the article, a full professional Scotland footballer with good basic coverage. Passes WP:BASIC in my view. Govvy (talk) 15:37, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Third party sourcing. WP:GNG passes.BabbaQ (talk) 16:18, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Per above. Svartner (talk) 07:01, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment 12/17 sources are either stats or non-independent of Hawkshaw. Donegallive - Hawkshaw injured an opponent, Courier - he's playing after concussion, Daily Record 1 - "while Dean Hawkshaw has stepped up his rehabilitation from a knee injury", Daily Record 2, routine transfer news and Cumnock Chronicle "GLENAFTON brought new signing Dean Hawkshaw, pictured, into the starting 11 on Saturday and he made an instant impact." That isn't a GNG pass or a pass of BASIC. Dougal18 (talk) 07:46, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:02, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Semantics and Pragmatics

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Non-notable journal. Three sources are listed, two of them not independent. The third one shows that this jourl is not listed in any selective database. WP:BEFORE does not unearth additional independent sources. Does not meet WP:NJournals or WP:GNG, hence: delete. Randykitty (talk) 14:22, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Keep.~~ Articles in this journal are cited with remarkable frequency for this subfield, so this easily passes Criterion 2 of WP:NJOURNALS. Botterweg14 (talk) 16:19, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep. Article is now updated with additional independent sources that clearly establish notability, including a Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy citation that explicitly states that it's a top journal in its subfield, easily satisfying Criterion 1 of WP:NJOURNALS.

Now updated further with more independent references, including Barbara Partee's contribution to The Cambridge Handbook of Formal Semantics, which names the journal as part of a notable development in the field, thus satisfying Criterion 3 as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Botterweg14 (talk • contribs)

Comment: Janssen/zimmerman ef: not independent (Zimmerman is an editorial board member); Philips reference: self-published blog; Haspelmath: in-passing mention on a blog; Partee ref: impossible to evaluate without a clearer link; Potts: self-published blog and also not independent (Potts is an editorial board member). So, no, "speedy keep" is absolutely not justified. Rhetorical question: if this journal is so crucial, how come it isn't indexed in any selective databases? --Randykitty (talk) 08:14, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reply: I have now updated the article again so that it cites an earlier edition of the SEP article, for which Theo Janssen was the sole author. Since Janssen is not among the 403 members of the editorial board, this is an independent source. Since this settles the issue of notability, we can discuss your other concerns about the other sources on the article's talk page if that is what you would like to do. Botterweg14 (talk) 13:25, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to its publisher, Linguistic Society of America. Not notable, per RK. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 13:49, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lilingayon, Bukidnon

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This article fails WP:NPLACE as it lacks WP:SIGCOV only WP:TRIVIALMENTION. Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 12:21, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Also Nominating: The following with the same reason as above:

I also nominate the category where I get all this place, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 6#Category:Barangays of Valencia, Bukidnon
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Procedural note, the three other articles have not been tagged yet. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:08, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Valencia, Bukidnon per WP:ATD --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:51, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect all to Valencia, Bukidnon. They fail WP:NPLACE per nom. SBKSPP (talk)
This bundled nomination was not done or formatted correctly. The articles were not tagged and I imagine the article creators were not notified. They won't be included in the closure. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:47, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Liz: done tagging them all them, sorry for the late reply as I'm attending my college class Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 11:16, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Miminity, you might have tagged the articles but this AFD is not formatted correctly, you just listed the articles in a way that is not suitable for a bundled nomination so XFDcloser will not recognize them as part of the nomination. Please review instructions for bundled nominations at WP:AFD for the next one you might try. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:41, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Liz: thanks just fixed it Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 05:24, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kugelmugel

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No clear indication of notability, does not pass WP:GNG. All search for references show cursory mentions in "List of Micronations" or "List of places to go in Vienna" Soni (talk) 11:18, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kugelmugel was mentioned in 'Atlas Obscura' book. In german wiki there is a section 'Reactivation' and reference to viennese 'Kronen Zeitung' of 30th May 2004, that it has 'opened its borders with Austria'. Might be more notable than most of micronations. Kolijars (talk) 21:35, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

oh, not 2004 but 2024 it is :) -> Kronen Zeitung, Wien-Ausgabe vom 30. Mai 2024, Seite 29. Kolijars (talk) 21:37, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The thing is, best I can tell it's still just a passing mention in a larger book. GNG requires some significant coverage of the topic in different sources, and I have not found it yet Soni (talk) 14:42, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If kept the article should be reworked to be about the unusual house rather than a micronation. The dewiki article begins with "Kugelmugel is a spherical house with a diameter of 8 metres..." Drop the micronation infobox. Reywas92^Talk 15:55, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Shramik Vikas Sangathan

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Fails criteria laid down at WP:ORGCRITE. Lacks in-depth coverage, WP:CORPDEPTH. Run-of-the-mill routine news by WP:NEWSORGINDIA are inadequate. Gan Favourite (talk) 14:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Calicut University Employees Union

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Fails criteria laid down at WP:ORGCRITE. Lacks in-depth coverage, WP:CORPDEPTH. Run-of-the-mill routine news by WP:NEWSORGINDIA are inadequate. Gan Favourite (talk) 14:10, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kerala State Transport Employees Front

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Fails criteria laid down at WP:ORGCRITE. Lacks in-depth coverage, WP:CORPDEPTH. Run-of-the-mill routine news by WP:NEWSORGINDIA are inadequate. Gan Favourite (talk) 14:09, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails GNG and WP:ORG. LibStar (talk) 23:41, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kerala Gazetted Officers' Association

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Fails criteria laid down at WP:ORGCRITE. Lacks in-depth coverage, WP:CORPDEPTH. Run-of-the-mill routine news by WP:NEWSORGINDIA are inadequate. Gan Favourite (talk) 14:08, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kerala Gazetted Officers' Federation

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Fails criteria laid down at WP:ORGCRITE. Lacks in-depth coverage, WP:CORPDEPTH. Run-of-the-mill routine news by WP:NEWSORGINDIA are inadequate. Gan Favourite (talk) 14:08, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Socialist Trade Union Centre

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Fails criteria laid down at WP:ORGCRITE. Lacks in-depth coverage, WP:CORPDEPTH. Run-of-the-mill routine news by WP:NEWSORGINDIA are inadequate. Gan Favourite (talk) 14:07, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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United Trade Union Congress (Bolshevik)

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Fails criteria laid down at WP:ORGCRITE. Lacks in-depth coverage, WP:CORPDEPTH. Run-of-the-mill routine news by WP:NEWSORGINDIA are inadequate. Gan Favourite (talk) 14:06, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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United Trade Union Congress (Marxist)

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Cochin City Motor Thozhilali Union

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Fails criterias laid down at WP:ORGCRITE. Lacks in-depth coverage, WP:CORPDEPTH. Run-of-the-mill routine news by WP:NEWSORGINDIA are inadequate. Gan Favourite (talk) 14:04, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of Michigan Wolverines football trainers

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The article fails WP:NLIST. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 13:46, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. In the early years of Michigan football, the trainers played an incredibly important role, akin to coaches. Michigan retained some of the outstanding figures in sports to fill the role. E.g., Mike Murphy, Edward Moulton, Keene Fitzpatrick, Alvin Kraenzlein, Stephen Farrell, and Archie Hahn. The list serves a valid navigational role among and between these major figures. Cbl62 (talk) 15:09, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Cbl62: "Akin to coaches"; they ARE assistant coaches, and that in itself is not notable enough to garner their standalone list. The information in the article is already in the trainers' standalone articles. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 16:48, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

you misunderstand the role of trainers, especially in the 19th century. Yes the biographical info is a short form of what’s in each bio, and that’s as it should be — the individual bios are the main repositories and this list serves as an overview and navigation aide. Cbl62 (talk) 19:25, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, appears to fail WP:NLIST. I could not find anything that discussed Michigan trainers as a group. Esolo5002 (talk) 06:34, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Finn Ecrepont

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Fails GNG, lacks SIGCOV. Dougal18 (talk) 11:41, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep The way the Ayrshire Post went on and on about him, there's enough coverage to meet GNG. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 09:35, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. One Daily Record source is decent - where is the rest? If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:02, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just from googling his name, there are at least five stories online which focus on him (so not mentions in general match reports or counting any of the stories from his 60-yard goal). The Ayrshire Post have also published at least six stories about him specifically, I don't know how many of these are online though. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 11:13, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Conestoga College Digital TV

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Google News searching “Conestoga College Digital TV” yields no result. No independent significant coverage. Northern Moonlight 13:17, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge into Conestoga College: I draftified this as the CCDTV social profiles do not help with wp:NORG. Doesn’t seem there is other material. CherryPie94 🍒🥧 (talk) 08:06, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A Whole New Whirled

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The entire content of this page is already written in Peacemaker season 1. Almost every section of "Production" talks about details that involve the entire season and not specifically the first episode of it. Even the "Critical reception" section talks about the first three episode and not of this episode individually. If we don't want to cancel this page, I think that we could easily merge some information (like the Critical reception) into Peacemaker season 1. But I don't think that this first episode is independently notable. Redjedi23 (talk) 13:02, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep notability is met. Nom appears to miss specific commentary on the introduction of the bald eagle character, and commentary on multiple (3) episodes still addresses the topic directly and in detail, so GNG remains met. This appears to be a perfectly reasonable and policy-compliant episode page, appropriate for the pilot of a series. Jclemens (talk) 00:09, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: a well-sourced page for an evidently notable subject. If the problem is that there's too much overlap with other pages, that's something that can be fixed by normal editing. Each episode of the series received coverage, and therefore they all have pages; it would be silly to delete the first episode just because it was released in conjunction with the second and third. Toughpigs (talk) 02:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Noble Compañia de Ballesteros Hijosdalgo de San Felipe y Santiago

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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources. The only reference given in the article is non-independent, as it was written by someone who is described as the "commander" of the confraternity. There are also a few external links (including in the text), none of which establish notability of the subject either. toweli (talk) 13:03, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Deepak Char

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Lack of notability Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 12:57, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article have content i think this article should kept or might considered as stub article, look at the sources.[[9]] [[10]] Travis Headache (talk) 14:10, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ricky Kling

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT, almost all primary sources provided. The one independent source is a 1 line mention of this person. LibStar (talk) 07:34, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep As a national U21 champion, pass criteria 4 of WP:NMOTORSPORT. SpacedFarmer (talk) 15:22, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- In which category of criteria four do you believe the Swedish Junior Speedway Championship falls under? It appears to be amateur, not professional, and of questionable national significance. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 08:46, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - The Swedish U21 Championship is fully professional, not amateur. Pyeongchang (talk) 09:59, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    - Could you provide a source for that? 5225_C (talk • contributions) 10:38, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Rode in the highest possible tier of not only the British league (equivalent of football's premier league) but also the Swedish league. Pyeongchang (talk) 09:59, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I have added three more non primary sources references to the article, plenty more out there. Pyeongchang (talk) 10:11, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The sources are 1, 2. Stats page N. 3. SPS stats page N. 4. Team site N. 5. 2-4 non-quote sentences with zero encyclopedic secondary coverage (e.g. "But the Eastbourne Eagles reserve hopes...") N. 6. Trivial mention in transactional news N. 7. Interview with barely one sentence of secondary background info N. 8. Namedrop in transactional news N. 9. Team site N. JoelleJay (talk) 22:56, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, meets NBIO/GNG. There's several articles with significant coverage of him in Swedish media: [11], [12], [13], [14] AlexandraAVX (talk) 13:35, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Leaning delete: First and last of sources brought up are very short pieces merely stating that he will participate in some competition or other, so not WP:SIGCOV. The two others are paywalled, so I can't say much about those and they may prove me wrong. On my side, didn't find anything better than name drops. Regarding the possible WP:NMOTORSPORT C4, the U21 championship seems far from national importance, given it has very little coverage and is not even mentioned in Speedway in Sweden. — Alien333 (what I did & why I did it wrong) 15:24, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I've added three sources. One is a very short news piece, but the other two have more substance. /Julle (talk) 09:56, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - additional sources added which shows notability per WP:GNG.BabbaQ (talk) 13:05, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Part of 5 keep !votes in 5 minutes, BabbaQ (talk · contribs) including this one in a similar AfD saying there are third party sources when there are none. LibStar (talk) 01:22, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
LibStar: Just a minor note that the statement that Gunnar Malmqvist has no third-party sources isn't entirely correct – while I haven't gone through all the others to assess them I've added at least one newspaper article myself a couple of weeks ago. /Julle (talk) 06:51, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Per @AlexandraAVX. I also found https://www.smalandsdagblad.se/2021-10-19/kling-hoppas-fa-vetlanda-pa-ratt-vag-igen-en-stor-utmaning and https://vt.se/sport/speedway/artikel/ricky-kling-till-vetlanda/jdgzwz4j, this is wp:SIGCOV for wp:SPORTCRIT alone. CherryPie94 🍒🥧 (talk) 04:35, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Flexiant

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Fails WP:ORG. Schierbecker (talk) 12:38, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Added additional findsources above for the company's other names. A 2021 press release indicates the company was eventually acquired by an Affluence Corporation, but there is no article to serve as an ATD target. There is also a related FlexiScale article on the company's main product, but its future would probably merit a separate discussion. AllyD (talk) 08:27, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vultures 3

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Not notable, lacking significant coverage. The only info about the album that concretely exists is that it was announced for an April 8 release date, which didn't happen. Skyshiftertalk 12:33, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect - could probably be a redirect somewhere, but it's WP:TOOSOON as is right now. A quick check shows that all the sourcing is simply passing mentions in sources about Vultures 2. Sergecross73 msg me 12:37, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to ¥$: no coverage primarily about this album. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 12:54, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

dont delete it its coming out trust and thats on slime gang — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:195:C47F:CDD0:712F:C2A:F000:BD4D (talk) 18:30, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not enough for you to just make vague assurances of it releasing someday. You need a policy-based reason explaining how it meets our notability standards and wouldn't be better off merged into the main article. Sergecross73 msg me 19:30, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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X (Roll Deep album)

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Fails WP:NALBUM DonaldD23 talk to me 12:30, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Roll Deep per nomination. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 12:56, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Magandang Tanghali

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Article about a television show, completely unsourced for the purposes of establishing that it would pass WP:TVSHOW. As at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stop, Look, & Listen (same creator), this was sandboxed in draftspace for lack of referencing and then almost immediately unsandboxed by the creator again without any effort to address the reasons why it got sandboxed in the first place. Obviously no prejudice against recreation if somebody can find proper reliable source coverage about it to establish that it would pass inclusion criteria, but television shows are not entitled to keep unsourced articles. Bearcat (talk) 12:23, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails WP:V and WP:TVSHOW. No or little point in draftfication. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 12:27, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination, appears to fail WP:NTELEVISION and WP:GNG. Searching online, the only coverage I could find in reliable secondary sources was passing mentions: [15], [16], [17], [18], [19], [20], [21], [22], [23]. Wikishovel (talk) 15:00, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stop, Look, & Listen

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Disputed draftification, Moved back to mainspace at once with no edits. This suggests that re-draftificatiin will serve no purpose. Fails WP:V, Fails WP:NTELEVISION. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 12:17, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination, appears to fail WP:NTELEVISION and WP:GNG. Searching online the only coverage I could find in reliable secondary sources was passing mentions: [24], [25], [26]. Wikishovel (talk) 12:28, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to Stop, Look and Listen disambiguation page for the term, there were a couple of things with this title. Including a long running UK TV add. Govvy (talk) 16:53, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Government Degree College, Nawabshah

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Non-notable educational institution. No independent, RS could be found that contain significant coverage of it. I am only able to find routine coverage with many passing mentions. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 12:02, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Cue TV

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Appears to fail general notability requirements. I also can't find any media sources. Alexeyevitch^(talk) 12:00, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Symbols of Colotlán

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I am not sure how this article can pass basic WP:GNG, Symbols? The title seems wrong, I would suggest a part merge to Colotlán or either delete. Govvy (talk) 11:59, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2024 R. G. Kar Medical College and Hospital rape and murder

The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn; article susbstatially improved to confirm notability of event. (non-admin closure)‎ ZimZalaBim ^talk 20:22, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWS and we don't need a day-by-day update of this one event, regardless of how tragic it might be. Simple mention (which I already trimmed due to WP:UNDUE) in R. G. Kar Medical College and Hospital really is sufficient. ZimZalaBim ^talk 11:58, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - The article could be improved in terms of content, but the incident has had further consequences that would likely make it notable (resignation of the school head, large-scale protests and strikes). ForsythiaJo (talk) 15:03, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - This article documents a deeply significant event where a young woman was tragically raped and murdered in her own workplace, a hospital. The incident has sparked nationwide protests from doctors' associations across India, reflecting its profound impact on the medical community and society at large. Major, trusted news outlets have extensively covered the case, underlining its notability and ongoing relevance. This is not merely a transient news event but a case that has resonated with and mobilized professionals and the public. Removing this article would erase an important and ongoing issue from public view.

Also there are many articles like 2024 Bangladesh quota reform movement, 2012 Delhi gang rape and murder, 2009 Shopian rape and murder case which are written in same style and comply with wikipedia guidelines.

Arijit Kisku (talk) 16:30, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Ok, but there is no reason to delete the entire article. The incident is attracting attention and reliable information needs to be out there.— Preceding unsigned comment added by VSankeerthSai1609 (talk • contribs) 15:15, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Horrible news, however there are a load of sources and appears to be very well publicised in India. Govvy (talk) 16:59, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The incident has been the headline of the Indian media and is not a mere incident as it has an extensive coverage and has gained much attention to the masses and as well as the doctor protests across delhi and west bengal and the citations provided are reliable as they were provided from various news sources , so there's really no suitable reason to doubt it's notability or reliability.

Isles of Wonderland (talk) 17:35, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep undoubtedly notable incident having huge and extensive media coverage Pinakpani (talk) 17:38, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - The article is well cited and the incident is getting nation wide attention as doctors are protesting in the capital. High Court has also ordered a CBI probe into this matter. The fact that this incident took place in a hospital had made doctors to demand a central law to protect the healthcare workers. People are comparing it with 2012 Delhi gang rape and murder which made an impact on the Indian psyche and the criminal laws. ParallelLife (talk) 17:43, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Anjalika Wijesinghe

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Fails WP:ANYBIO, requires significant coverage in multiple reliable independent secondary sources. Both cited sources are predominately based on primary sources, which lack any independent editorial oversight. Dan arndt (talk) 11:54, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. The article is based on two sources: an article in a newspaper: Daily Mirror (Sri Lanka) and an article on a magazine called Lanka Woman, which is published by Wijeya Newspapers Ltd. No evidence has been produced for the claim that the newspaper and magazine "lack any independent editorial oversight". Presumably more sources could be found in native-language publications in Ceylon.-- Toddy1 (talk) 12:13, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment the article in Lanka Woman, is entirely based on an interview with Wijesinghe (which is a primary source). There is no indication that the interviewer or the publisher has undertaken any fact checking to ascertain whether Wijesinghe's statements are correct. Dan arndt (talk) 12:42, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. No pass of GNG. Sources are not adequate. BLP reads like LinkedIn blather ("force to be reckoned with"). Xxanthippe (talk) 22:40, 13 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Delete. Once the blather is removed, there's nothing left. Fails WP:GNG and is nowhere on the same planet as WP:NPROF. Qflib (talk) 02:31, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Michal Pšenko

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Redirect to Slovakia at the 2002 Winter Olympics#Nordic combined because I could not find any significant coverage of this athlete to meet WP:GNG. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:36, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Leaning Keep per the extensive German article with several offline sources which appear to give several pages of coverage to him. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tugaya, Bukidnon

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Same reason as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lilingayon, Bukidnon Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 11:15, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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San Carlos, Valencia

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Same Discussion on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lilingayon, Bukidnon Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 11:15, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lurugan, Bukidnon

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Same reason as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lilingayon, Bukidnon Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 11:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of LATAM Brasil destinations

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Fails WP:NOT, WP:NCORP, plain logic

Logic is failed because this is in large part a list of places that LATAM Brasil wasn't regularly flying to in January 2024, as is indicated by many of them being listed as "terminated"/seasonal or as not being operated by LATAM Brazil. The destinations flown to by LATAM Brasil are already adequately summarised in LATAM Airlines Brasil#Destinations, and their historical development is already discussed at LATAM Airlines Brasil#History, meaning this page is redundant. Wikipedia is not the place to seek to publish original historical research about where Airlines used to fly.

WP:NOT is failed because this is a complete listing of the services of a company. As such it is excluded under WP:NOTCATALOG no. 6 which states that "Listings to be avoided include [...] products and services". It is also an indiscriminate listing - all destinations ever flown to, however briefly, are listed without any attempt to summarise them which is against WP:IINFO.

WP:NCORP (which applies to the services of companies as well as the companies themselves) is failed because none of the sources here are independent, third-party, reliable sources. This article is largely unsourced, and has been since at least 2015, but the part that is sourced is sourced to the company website, enthusiast blogs like Routesonline, or to run-of-the-mill articles based on company press-releases and statements and trade-press coverage. Additionally, many of the links are 404, making them fail verifiability. Sources that clearly pass WP:ORGIND are needed, but none are present.

For the same reasons I am also nominating List of LATAM Perú destinations which suffers from all of the same problems. FOARP (talk) 10:39, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep/merge It continues to be false that this falls under NOTCATLOGUE, as this is not used as a resource for conducting business. The mere fact that people can be informed about the company's operations does not make it a business resource, nor are products and services broadly forbidden. A basic list of two countries and four continents is not a replacement of the information. The article needs more sources, but there is adequate coverage of the airline's operations to include its destinations here or in the main article. A link being dead does not mean the fact itself is impossible to verify or the whole article must be deleted. Listing former destination is not indiscrimination, but that could call for modifications rather than complete deletion. Reywas92^Talk 13:23, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This a is substantially the same information as the company publishes themselves, as is indicated by the use of the company website and company publications/press-releases as the source for them. Simply transcribing that on to Wiki is reproducing a catalogue, and indiscriminate. I note that you don’t cite even a single source to address the NCORP issues. FOARP (talk) 06:23, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:59, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of fossil sites

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Like the recent Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of archaeological sites by continent and age, this is just too broad for a single list article. Looking at the article, it isn't even clear what a "fossil site" even is. Many of the listed iems are geological formations, which are typically geographically extensive and therefore not "sites". Listing fossil sites by region is already effectively done by categories (e.g Category:Paleontological sites). Hemiauchenia (talk) 08:52, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep You only list those notable enough to have a Wikipedia article, it a valid navigational list, with more information than a category can have, so more useful. Category:Paleontological sites exist so perhaps a rename is in order to list of Paleontological sites. Dream Focus 16:14, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Per Dream Focus, it's a good navigational list. Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 21:19, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep All of the arguments from the previous discussion about deleting this list still apply (I can’t seem to track down the archive entry for that deletion discussion, despite having reread it least week? Now, the same search brings me to this current discussion. I think the previous one was in 2017). My summary of that and past talk page discussions:

This list is far more useful than a category or set of categories because it has more information than categories can include.
This list can be sorted in multiple ways (primary notability, age, continent or country). From a geology perspective, sorting by time period is often more important/interesting than sorting by region. Some people sort by notability or use the tags to find types of sites. If we split it up, we have to maintain lists or categories for all of combinations of sorts and sub-sorts. (And then we get to argue about where to put the divisions between time periods in the past couple million years).
We have, in fact, made a solid attempt at defining a fossil site. The reason entire formations are listed is because some formations outcrop at many sites in a general region and listing every outcrop is neither feasible nor particularly useful. This has been discussed in the Talk at some length and is mentioned in the list intro. Ideally such formations would each have a listed type locality or primary site, but no one has yet done the research to add those to every previously listed formation. (Sometimes these localities are already in the primary article for a formation, but no one has yet added them here.)
If we actually apply the inclusion criteria discussed in Talk to delete list entries (rather than just to new additions) the list will get tidier. Deleting the list itself would remove a valuable and popular navigational tool.

Elriana (talk) 03:44, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep And mention only those that are notable. REDISCOVERBHARAT (talk) 07:29, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It looks like this will be kept (fine with me), but it needs to be cleaned up. I'll say more on the article talk page. - Donald Albury 23:30, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that cleanup is warranted, but not deletion. Azuredivay (talk) 08:51, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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A proposal to delete, three explicit "keeps", and a comment that "cleanup is warranted, but not deletion". How strong do you think consensus has to be? Donald Albury 16:19, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I didn't think my !vote would be needed here. As noted above, I started a discussion about how to improve the list after the third "Keep". - Donald Albury 16:31, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep However the list is huge, I feel the article needs better division. I do suggest to split the table up per continents. Govvy (talk) 17:04, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Fenercell

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Notability is not found; there are also no reliable sources Dirubii Olchoglu (talk) 08:02, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. Is only a redirect in the Turkish Wikipedia. Geschichte (talk) 12:13, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Fenerbahçe S.K. as per WP:ATD, sourcing fails GNG/WP:NCORP. HighKing⁺⁺ 10:58, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Only the first 2 sentences are about Fenercell; the remainder is about Avea (now part of Türk Telekom) and a broad discussion about mobile networks in Türkiye. In that state, it would have been better titled as Avea. Or reduced to a 2 sentence stub on Fenercell, which would sit with the redirect on the tr.wiki article. Regarding the "Fenercell" branding, that uses other providers such as A1 Telekom Austria Group elsewhere [27]. AllyD (talk) 13:36, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Big board scam

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This appears to fail WP:NEVENTS due to lack of WP:PERSISTENCE coverage and a lack of WP:LASTING impact. The coverage seems routine and since WP is not a newspaper, we shouldn't create articles on every scam just because it has been reported in WP:109PAPERS. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 10:21, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Chinese long-haired wolfdog

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The sources are both user-generated, according to the small print at the bottom of both articles. This was draftified for this reason but not corrected. I am unable to find good sources for this breed, but there might well be reliable Chinese or other sources of course. Without those, this should be deleted. Fram (talk) 08:41, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Of course it will be difficult to find information as this is a rare and young independent breed of dog.

Originated in the 20th century, it is a new dog breed based on the West German Shepherd Dog, mixed with the Belgian Tervuren and the Chinese wolf. Wtf35861887 (talk) 09:07, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I agree the three sources are basically WP:BLOG according to the notices at the foot of the article.
I've done some searches in Chinese, and there's definitely some web mention of them but am not finding much of quality This article is pretty much pushing a press release but gives a sense of the scale of the breed:
On April 16, the China Animal Husbandry Beacon's "Muhuo Tongming Cup" National First Spring Expo of Chinese Shepherd Dogs was held in Xinmin City. The Expo brought together more than 300 excellent Chinese shepherd dogs in China, with an estimated total value of more than 100 million yuan. This Expo aims to showcase the excellent dog breeds bred by my country, promote the establishment of breeding standards for Chinese shepherd dogs, and promote Chinese shepherd dogs to the international stage.
According to the organizers, all kennels that breed Chinese shepherd dogs nationwide came to the Expo. Among them, the highest value Chinese shepherd dog has a market value of 9 million yuan. It is understood that Chinese shepherd dogs are one of the few native guardian dog breeds in China that have been preserved to this day. They are gentle, brave and vigilant, have very strong guarding instincts, are extremely loyal to their territory and owners, can hold their ground and protect their homes without hesitation in critical moments. Stable characteristics and unique personality have made them a unique dog breed in China.
Far as I can tell, no articles support having been bred "since the 20th century", but it's not a very bold claim. Happy to reconsider my vote if further sources emerge. Oblivy (talk) 09:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This dog breed was developed by dog enthusiasts and the Chinese military, but it was mainly carried out by the Chinese military. The Chinese military dog breeding program began in the 20th century, and this dog breed was the first to be bred under the program. Wtf35861887 (talk) 09:47, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is an article mentioning that this breed was put into military work as a military dog at the end of the 20th century. Wtf35861887 (talk) 10:41, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I found no sourcing, not even primary, that is not WP:UGC to even meet WP:V. I am not even able to verify facts such as In 2016, Fédération Cynologique Internationale awarded this breed the title of "The most adaptable military dog in the world and the best rescue dog Jumpytoo Talk 04:02, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Brands Hatch Racing

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Non-notable team that did not qualify for a single Grand Prix it entered. WP:SIGCOV is literally non-existent. All WP:RS leads to the track it is named after. SpacedFarmer (talk) 08:37, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge – Brands Hatch Racing was the circuit's team and was run by John Webb while he was chief executive of Brands Hatch. There are a few other races which aren't mentioned in the existing article. This can be better covered on the circuit's article. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 12:33, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Czech Airlines destinations

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Fails WP:NOT, WP:NCORP, plain logic

Logic is failed because this is a largely a list of places that Czech Airlines wasn't flying to in February 2024, as is indicated by the overwhelming majority of them being listed as "terminated". Czech Airlines only flew to four destinations in February 2024, all of which are already mentioned on the Czech Airlines page, making this page redundant. Anyone asserting that these "terminated" destinations are of historical interest needs to show historical sourcing for that (i.e., historical journal, history book etc.) - Wikipedia is not the place to publish your own historical research about where an airline used to fly.

WP:NOT is failed because this is a complete listing of the services of a company. As such it is excluded under WP:NOTCATALOG no. 6 which states that "Listings to be avoided include [...] products and services". It is also an indiscriminate listing - all destinations ever flown to, however briefly, are listed without any attempt to summarise them which is against WP:IINFO.

WP:NCORP (which applies to the services of companies as well as the companies themselves) is failed because none of the sources here are independent, third-party, reliable sources. This article is largely sourced to old timetables published by the airline (e.g., this one), or to the company website, or to run-of-the-mill articles based on company press-releases and statements and trade-press coverage or local-news failing WP:AUD. Additionally, many of the links are 404, making them fail verifiability. Sources that clearly pass WP:ORGIND are needed, but none are present nor could I find any. FOARP (talk) 08:34, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep/merge It continues to be false that this falls under NOTCATLOGUE, as this is not used as a resource for conducting business, particularly if they're about to cease conducting business! The mere fact that people can be informed about the company's operations does not make it a business resource, nor are products and services broadly forbidden. A basic list of two countries and four continents is not a replacement of the information. The article needs more sources, but there is adequate coverage of the airline's operations to include its destinations here or in the main article. A link being dead does not mean the fact itself is impossible to verify or the whole article must be deleted. Listing former destination is not indiscrimination, but that could call for modifications rather than complete deletion. Reywas92^Talk 13:23, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This airline literally only flew to four destinations "As of February 2024". What is the point of listing places it possibly used to fly to at some point, but didn't fly to in Feb 2024, based on original research in primary sources? If the answer is "because of historical importance", then where are the historians covering this topic? PS - see also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Air Malta destinations which recently closed as delete, which also covered an airline whose destinations were all "terminated", and where you made substantially the same arguments. FOARP (talk) 13:39, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Confy

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Article subject does not show up in any online searches except for YouTube, social media, and one website newtimes.co.rw. My previous edit was to remove almost all of the article sources (almost all pointing to New Times articles), which were simply puff pieces and did not factually support anything in the article. Celjski Grad (talk) 11:11, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Per nom Lordseriouspig 07:32, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 11:30, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Warwick Slow

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A case of WP:BLP1E. LibStar (talk) 12:17, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This article should not be deleted as it documents a historical event in New Zealand history. The failure of New Zealand security forces to protect an event with a head of state was national news and prompted discussions between New Zealand and the UK around security arrangements. Ashok.fernandez (talk) 11:32, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If it's about an event then the article should be renamed. However, I don't think it meets WP:EVENT. LibStar (talk) 02:22, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that this person isn't notable enough for a biographical article. As for the incident itself, I can only find 2 articles about it, which depict it as a failed gatecrashing attempt with minor repercussions. It seems there are few viable sources to support the claim it was a historical event, or really much of anything at all. Melonbob (talk) 06:46, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ashok.fernandez, I gather you are also User:Ashok fernandez who created this article 14 years ago. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:53, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as the person is WP:BLP1E. If the event is notable then the article needs to be refocused. Celjski Grad (talk) 22:55, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Medwyn Goodall

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This appears to be a vanity page for a musician. While his body of work is extensive, I cannot find any substantial online coverage of him to fulfill WP:BASIC or WP:MUSICBIO. The second reference states that he has topped the UK music charts twice, but this appears to be a fanzine of questionable reliability and I can't find any mention of him at the official chart website. ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 08:32, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I've searched the official charts database, and I agree with the nominator, I am unable to find evidence of charting (though potentially it could be so far back in time to not be available online), including under his alternate name. However - there is a WP:RSMUSIC Allmusic staff bio available, which is both non-trivial coverage and confirms gold-certification. Potentially with more verification and coverage this may be a keep. ResonantDis_tortion 13:28, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Found this Billboard mention that one of his records sold 50,000 copies here, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 21:42, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

HELLO ALL - I am the ARTIST - COMPOSER/recording artist. This page looks as though it was originally created by fans. However I do ask it is NOT deleted WHY >> I am an international award winning artist (instrumental music) 6 gold disc, 1 platinumn and a life achievement award, at least 4 million fans international. I also own a record label managing other artists. A 33yr career. My own radio show also. UK based. Numerous hits. Career is still ongoing. Instrumental music doesnt tend to be found in charts or have the hype of pop music so whilst I am not as trackable you will find me all over itunes, spotify, Amazon, Facebook, youtube, google, as one of the most famous artists of my genre Medwyngoodall (talk) 19:40, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These are the notability guidelines Wikipedia follows for keeping articles on musicians: WP:MUSICBIO. We need reliable sources (WP:RS) to show the article subject meets the criteria. At present it's unlikely there are enough sources, so if you can provide such references that would significantly help. (Note I have been unable to verify the Gold certifications via the British Phonographic Industry website, so help on that would also be useful). ResonantDis_tortion 07:04, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Leaning towards Delete per nom. Not much of a coverage Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 11:32, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NGC 7075

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This galaxy is not notable, all of the references are to catalog entries. Parejkoj (talk) 06:21, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is some commentary beyond catalogue entries about this galaxy here: https://academic.oup.com/mnras/article/499/4/5719/5923577?login=false , https://academic.oup.com/mnras/article/489/3/3739/5554765?login=false and https://academic.oup.com/mnras/article/484/3/4239/5299582?login=false. The radio source accociated with the galaxy is descripted in a more than a passing reference in a table here https://academic.oup.com/mnras/article/282/1/40/1036079?login=false. It is a keep for me. --C messier (talk) 08:59, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

None of those papers are about the galaxy itself, they just have some paragraphs discussing it. That's pretty weak notability at best. - Parejkoj (talk) 18:09, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Still these are multiple sources that provide commentary that is more than a trivial mention. The ALMA series is quite low volume, only discussing a dozen objects at most, including this particular galaxy. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material WP:SIGCOV. C messier (talk) 18:27, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment According to WP:NASTRO we presume notability because it was discovered before 1850 but a careful investigation may show that it is not notable. Even if we discover sufficient references to meet our notability critera we may go on to decide there should not be an article on this galaxy. I hope that is completely clear! Thincat (talk) 12:01, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Although it might not be notable, we can redirect this galaxy to Lists of NGC Objects (7000-7800) as an alternative like NGC 1016, NGC 4 and NGC 529.--Galaxybeing (talk) 02:10, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IC 1050

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All of the references in this article are catalog entries. It has had a couple of supernovae, but those are also not interesting beyond their catalog entries. Parejkoj (talk) 06:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Parejkoj. The only coverage is from large catalogues and the supernova databases. There is no significant commentary on the galaxy from reliable sources. --C messier (talk) 08:56, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Per Parejkoj and C messier's comments, this object fails WP:NASCRIT and it is only a subject of handful of databases and some research papers which doesn't provide any significant commentary. The two supernovas are just only trivias. --Galaxybeing (talk) 01:39, 14 August 2024 (UTC)13[reply]

Al Ghardaqa

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Total WP:SYNTH/WP:OR - unverifiable (book ISBNs all fail lookup, as do the cited DOIs). Sent to draft, returned by author unchanged other than to remove many of the suspect ISBNs. BTW the book titles themselves fail book search - give the first cited source, "Genealogies of Eastern Arabia: Tracing the Lineages" a try... WP:NOTGENEALOGY very much applies but even if it didn't, this content is dubious and misleading (but also irrelevant) at best. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 05:41, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as above. DrKay (talk) 11:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Historical background of the Russo-Ukrainian War

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It is with a heavy heart that I propose deletion of this page.

The reason is simple: the scope of this article is untenable. When this page was originally created in 2014, it attempted to provide socio-historical background information for readers of the article 2014 pro-Russian unrest in Ukraine, which covered then ongoing protests in particular regions of that country. It primarily served as a sub-article of 2014 pro-Russian unrest in Ukraine, because that article had got too long. The scope of the article at the time of its creation was a product of that time, and the limited sources that were then available. As the conflict evolved, it became apparent that the article was no longer functioning, leading to a previous deletion discussion in 2022. The result of that discussion was 'keep', despite acknowledgement of concerns about the article's content, including potential WP:OR analysis of primary sources.

All of the existing content has been systematically deleted from the article this year, and the article moved and rescoped. Now, this article purports to provide the historical background to the multi-faceted geopolitical conflict that is the Russo-Ukrainian War, and yet completely fails to do so. In fact, it is unlikely that it will ever be able to do so, because its scope is too broad, with much of the relevant content provided in other articles, such as Russo-Ukrainian War. At present, it seems to be nothing more than a WP:COATRACK for miscellaneous history, without any clear narrative or connection to the actual topic it purports to describe: no link is established between the article contents and the war that began in 2014.

Is the whole history of Ukraine within the scope of this article? The whole history of Russia? These could both legitimately claimed to be 'historical background' to the current conflict, and there may be reliable sources that establish such a reality. However, an article with such a scope could never actually function on Wikipedia as anything other than a WP:POVFORK of other better articles on this subject, such as Russia–Ukraine relations. Unfortunately, I think my dear friend Iryna, ever the wisest, has been proven correct by the test of time. She warned me and others that this article would become 'the biggest coatrack Wikipedia has ever seen', and that there was little hope in creating anything of value to the reader with an article scope this broad. Ah, the naivety of youth. If only I had listened...

Fundamentally, the deletion of the existing article content without community consensus is concerning from a procedural point of view. However, I agree in principle that the removed content no longer has an encyclopaedic purpose. For this reason, I suggest this article be deleted. 'Historical background of the Russo-Ukrainian War' may be a notable concept, though I note that no other war covered on Wikipedia has a similar article. I caution, as Iryna did so many years ago, that any such article is liable to become a WP:COATRACK. However, even if such an article is deemed viable for creation, in content, concept and scope, it would still be fundamentally different from the article the existed for ten years from 2014, and therefore I believe 'Blow it up and start over' applies. I propose a clean start. Who is with me? RGloucester — ☎ 05:17, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The article is based on books by highly renowned historians, e.g. Andreas Kappeler and Serhii Plokhy. Those books were written explicitly to provide the historical background of that war. I don't see any of our guidelines supporting deletion. Rsk6400 (talk) 07:14, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. It's a poorly written essay that heavily focuses on the Old Rus' question, while only briefly mentioning the other historical contexts of the Russo-Ukrainian conflict. It almost completely omits the modern history of both countries. Additionally, some statements are of questionable neutrality. For example: 'The legal and bureaucratic traditions of Kievan Rus' were inherited by Lithuania, but not by Muscovy,' which, as far as I know, has no basis in historical fact.Marcelus (talk) 12:06, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. I would also think creating a draft or starting over may work if it is considered viable (assuming there is no longer the problem with WP:OWN here). Mellk (talk) 15:51, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy deleted‎ by Nyttend per criterion A7. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 10:07, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

King Sis

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[1] is a Google Doc, [2] is a YouTube video, [3] is interview. No notability to be kept. CherryPie94 🍒🥧 (talk) 05:15, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tagged under criterion A7 since notability is clearly lacking. CycloneYoris ^talk! 05:22, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy deleted just now by me. Nyttend (talk) 07:41, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Gregor Henderson

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Fails WP:BIO. Sources 4-6 are primary, his "employer". I don't regard having a Order of Australia, or previous position as President of the Assembly, as conferring inherent notability. A search for sources yielded namesakes. LibStar (talk) 05:02, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. His post certainly makes him notable per WP:COMMONSENSE and WP:CLERGYOUTCOMES. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:31, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The article clearly needs to be cleaned up by someone who knows more about the sources than I do, but it seems to me that that this article should be kept. Bduke (talk) 10:44, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Embassy of Angola, London

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No secondary sources. Fails WP:GNG. Lacking any substantive encyclopedic content. AusLondonder (talk) 04:15, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:ORG. Article merely states it exists. LibStar (talk) 04:39, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of diplomatic missions in London#Embassies and High Commissions in London (or make an anchor for Angola and target that). This is a plausible search term about which we have content so we best serve our readers by taking them to that. Thryduulf (talk) 16:23, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Chang-gun

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 04:00, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect? I had a look at the one link 11v11 [28] and it said FIFA World Cup Asia group 4, in 1980 December, and one game played in 1981 January all in the same tournament, so there maybe a redirect available for his name. Was trying to work it out for a possible redirect. If not guess it's a delete. Govvy (talk) 10:56, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ji (surname 蓟)

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Nonnotable surname (only one notable individual with this surname, who probably died 1800 years ago and who has no page on enwiki); material can be merged into Ji (surname). We don't need so many articles with Chinese disambiguators. Yinweiaiqing (talk) 03:10, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jan Smuts in British Transvaal

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This article is entirely unsourced and reads like an essay. The topic itself does not appear sufficiently notable for its own article. While a merge has been suggested in edit histories, doing so would require the introduction of unsourced and essay-like material into an otherwise non-problematic page. Additionally, a section to this effect already exists at Jan Smuts. The content of the article is not suitable for any page and thus should be deleted. Garsh (talk) 02:41, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Content is already well covered in the main Smuts article and this is a wholly unsourced and one-sided. Nate • (chatter) 21:19, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: An essay that has remained unsourced and relatively unchanged since its creation in 2005. Some of the content is already contained at the main article and as it is unsourced a merge is inadvisable. Surprised it's been around this long. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 01:06, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Li (surname 莉)

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Nonnotable surname (no notable individual with this surname); material can be merged into List of surnames romanized Li. We don't need so many articles with Chinese disambiguators. Yinweiaiqing (talk) 02:35, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Li (surname 理)

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Nonnotable surname (no notable individual with this surname); material can be merged into List of surnames romanized Li. We don't need so many articles with Chinese disambiguators. Yinweiaiqing (talk) 02:28, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I don't think there's anything here worth merging, since Folk etymologies of Chinese surnames and Surnames in Chinese mythology are both redlinks. I don't have access to any complete biographical dictionaries of Chinese historical figures anymore, but it's telling that the Kangxi entry for 理 as a surname lists only the single individual 理徵, who seems to have been invented or repurposed to make sense of a bit of the Yellow Emperor myth where somehow he was the ultimate progenitor of a dozen different surnames.
The phenomenon of earlyish Chinese families backdating their surnames to mythological and legendary figures to bolster their own reputations — that's an interesting subject and probably deserves better coverage than we currently give it, but just uncritically repeating myths and folk etymologies without contextualising them as such is not what we should be doing here. I'm landing at delete, but also copypaste sourcing to zh:理姓 (unsourced). Folly Mox (talk) 08:39, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Measure of Music (conference)

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Sources do not provide in depth coverage of the event, which does not appear notable. Restoration fine as a SOFT delete (courtesy @Graeme Bartlett:) and no objection to draft space as requester noted so that I can make improvements as more references become available. but it does not appear sufficient sourcing currently exists. Star Mississippi 01:51, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete The sources given are either PR, trivial mentions, or unrelated to the subject of the article. Not seeing significant coverage in reliable sources elsewhere, either. No evidence of notability. —Ganesha811 (talk) 02:05, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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British ski jumping records

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Original research; none of the sources support that these are the British ski jumping records, just that the listed people made jumps of this length at some point. No sources found, and no similar lists for other countries to suggest sources. Walsh90210 (talk) 01:19, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Desmond Murphy

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We don't normally create articles for players playing just 1 first class match. Only primary sources provided. Fails WP:NCRIC. LibStar (talk) 01:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The worst case situation here is a redirect to List of Irish first-class cricketers, with a partial merge to a note so that the biographical details and references can be preserved. Given the quality of information at this source the chances are that there are contemporary press records offline that could be used to build a proper biography. Liddle appears to be the go to expert on Irish cricketers and clearly wrote for the ACS on the subject - a set of his biographies can be found here for future reference. It might be worth a keep based on Liddle's biography and the fact that he got a Wisden obituary (which is not a gimme, especially for single appearance players), but I'd rather see something a bit more contemporary in news sources. But it really is redirect at the worst - this is never a delete situation. Blue Square Thing (talk) 19:54, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edgar Stangeland

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Only primary sources provided. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 00:04, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. A certain amount of these speedway AFDs seem somewhat premature, coming in rapid succession. Where are you doing your WP:BEFORE? Please don't answer Google, I'd like to direct the attention here. Geschichte (talk) 07:31, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Some have been deleted, some have been retained. It's not really rapid succession. LibStar (talk) 07:36, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But to what extent have you done WP:BEFORE searches? BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:06, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]