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Propaganda in Cuba (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Article created 2012-11-30 by User:Wikijem1287, and creating this article has been this account's only action on WP. The article then, and still now, is almost entirely referenced to some secret CIA "restricted report". (If this account were less than a year old, I'd put in the effort to track this person down, if only to hear the stories!) One section, Granma (newspaper), has outside sourcing, but that has a main article; one other outside source supports a single unremarkable fact about the Cuban Institute for Friendship Among People (ICAP) (that institute is probably notable for its own article, but there's none yet on es.wp). Finally, the diff from article creation to now indicates that no significant material was added and more importantly, no significant replacement sourcing was added. The reason it's not WP:TNT is that the article, as an abstract title, lacks RS to justify its own notability (I'm sure such RS exist, but then let whatever completely new article emerge organically from that research, instead of trying to refill the outline of a probable hoax.) SamuelRiv (talk) 06:09, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ramneek Wayne (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I don't think G11 should be an option, hence I brought this to AFD. Article doesn't meet WP:GNG. I know that this autobiography may/will be reinstated if declined again and again at AFC. Additionally, it's very promotional. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 06:18, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jordan Bolch (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails the notability guideline for musicians. The sources in the article are all a mix of paid promotion and press release regurgitation, and are unreliable as a result. A quick check before the nomination did not turn up any other sources to establish notability. TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 04:53, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Panagiotis Tarinidis (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Delete or Redirect to List of world championships medalists in powerlifting (men). Only four sourced articles talk about Tarinidis's achievements. Anybody who competes in powerlifting (local or international) can be included to All Powerlifting and Open Powerlifting. I'm skeptical if only four articles are good enough for an article. ViciousViper47 (talk) 03:49, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hassan El Belghiti (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Delete or Redirect to List of world championships medalists in powerlifting (men). Only has two articles sourced, both by BarBend. Anybody who competes in powerlifting (local or international) can be included to All Powerlifting and Open Powerlifting. ViciousViper47 (talk) 03:54, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Embassy of Moldova, Berlin (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Unreferenced article that merely is a list of ambassadors. Fails GNG. LibStar (talk) 12:37, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: I'm underwhelmed by the participant's comments. If you are suggesting a Redirect or Merge, take 60 seconds to find an appropriate target article.
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2022–23 Kapfenberger SV season (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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season article for second tier austrian side. has not been updated since before the season started and is clearly unfit for mainspace. I find no evidence that such an article could pass WP:GNG but should others disagree, moving to draftspace may be more appropriate. Microwave Anarchist (talk) 13:00, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages as they are also not currently fit for mainspace and show no evidence of notability:

2022–23 Grazer AK season (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
2022–23 FC Blau-Weiß Linz season (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
2022–23 Floridsdorfer AC season (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
2022–23 FC Admira Wacker Mödling season (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
2022–23 FC Liefering season (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Relisting comment: Relisting. We have arguments for a procedural close, draftification, deletion and keep. It's also unclear when an editor just offers a "per nom" comment whether that is also support for moving to draftspace which the nominator also proposed.
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Velappaya Mahadevar temple (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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no RS found found based on a google search. Sohom (talk) 04:38, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Relisting as there is a difference of opinion on the quality of sources. They need to be reliable sources that provide SIGCOV, not passing mentions. Also, User:பொதுஉதவி, I'd like to now what "Wikipedia guidelines" you are referring to in your Keep opinion,
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  • Delete: sorry but without any reliable sources available, this temple is not notable. The pleas for keep unfortunately do not relate to any of Wikipedia's standards. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:34, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I did a WP:BEFORE on "Velappaya Shiva Temple" and "Velappaya Mahadevar Temple", but there are no hits on google books or scholars. I believe the temple may have had a different name in earlier times or it is known by another keyword. This could be improved if we can identify the correct term to search for. User:Spworld2, User:Rasnaboy, User:பொதுஉதவி Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 05:41, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. As per Google books, a book titled 'The Mahabharta : A Summary For Beginners' written by the author Madhavan Kutty Manikath and published by 'Author's Ink Publications', at the footnote on page number 130, it is mentioned about Velappaya Mahadevar Temple, at Thrissur, in Kerala.

பொதுஉதவி (talk) 06:15, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:பொதுஉதவி, you have voted already and a mere mention of the temple's name in a book does not make it notable. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 07:00, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've struck the duplicate vote. Liz Read! Talk! 03:08, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting, still no consensus or agreement on sourcing. At this point, it would be helpful to get a source assessment table (or a less formal review) to see where the truth lies.
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Danny Reagan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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WP:FANCRUFT article with almost exclusively primary sources. No evidence of notability outside of the confines of the show and no information that can't be found at List of Blue Bloods characters. Mbdfar (talk) 03:06, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jamie Reagan may also be of questionable notability. Mbdfar (talk) 03:09, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. These are the lead characters in a highly popular and well-discussed series. A Google News search returns hundreds of results, including articles primarily about the character, e.g., the just-published "Why Blue Bloods Fans Can't Stand Danny Reagan", Kieran Fisher, Looper (September 9, 2024); "It's Time for 'Blue Bloods' to Give Danny a New Romance", Jenna Kaylor, Collider (April 20, 2024). In print media, see, e.g., Les Linz, "Lessons from Blue Bloods that we can learn", The Seymour Tribune (July 31, 2021), p. A4, primarily about the Danny Reagan character. The ease with which sources can be found suggests that not a modicum of WP:BEFORE was done for this nomination. BD2412 T 03:24, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • No questioning the notability of the series. Trivial mentions and characterizations in low-quality pop culture websites as your Google News search supplies does not indicate stand-alone notability outside of the context of the show. The character, despite being a lead, does not inherit notability from the show. I fail to see the encyclopedic value of the Looper article of recycled Reddit comments or the simple plot synopses found in the Collider article. I'm not even sure how to address the The Seymour Tribune piece. Mbdfar (talk) 03:39, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • If you're not sure how to address an article that ran in a print newspaper, then perhaps you should consider dropping it. Here's another source from near the very beginning of the series: "From New Kid to tough cop", David Hiltbrand, The Hackensack Record (November 11, 2011), p. G35. By the way, Newspapers.com returns over 800 hits for "Danny Reagan" "Blue Bloods", so I can do this all day. BD2412 T 03:43, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        • I only say that because it is a fluff article relating the character to biblical proverbs which does not seem encyclopedic, though it at least is relating the character to something outside of the show. That Hackensack article is about the actor, and I do not question the notability of Donnie Wahlberg. This is a very unimpressive WP:THREE. Mbdfar (talk) 03:48, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
          • The Hackensack article is about the actor being the portrayer of the character, even as early as 2011. There are also over a dozen Google Scholar returns for "Danny Reagan" "Blue Bloods", which indicate that there is also some degree of scholarly examination of the character, beyond the pop culture coverage. BD2412 T 03:52, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
            • Yeah, a popular actor playing in a popular show will get coverage. Did you click on any of those Scholar links? I see undergraduate papers, theses, and trivial mentions. There were a couple I could not access, perhaps you can take some time to find out if there is anything usable. Mbdfar (talk) 04:02, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements and Television. WCQuidditch 04:38, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Daman and Diu Police (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Daman and Diu Police is now merged with Dadra and Nagar Haveli and Daman and Diu Police. — Hemant Dabral (📞) 02:34, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of career achievements by Stephen Curry (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Similar to other articles in the Career achievements of basketball players category, this is a collection of indiscriminate trivia with trivial statistical cross sections sourced primarily to non-secondary sources such as the AI website StatsMuse and Basketball Reference. As such, this is a violation of WP:NOTSTATS and does not meet the notability criteria under WP:NLIST. Let'srun (talk) 13:04, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In addition, the most pertient info is already found in the main article. Let'srun (talk) 13:04, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alot of what is in the article should go but there are sources out there that specifically discuss Curry's career achievements such as from Sky Sports and NBC Sports. Whether it is enough for a standalone article, I'll let others decide. Alvaldi (talk) 14:26, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Some relevant policies are WP:INDISCRIMINATE:

    To provide encyclopedic value, data should be put in context with explanations referenced to independent sources. As explained in § Encyclopedic content above, merely being true, or even verifiable, does not automatically make something suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia.

    WP:NOTSTATS:

    Statistics that lack context or explanation can reduce readability and may be confusing; accordingly, statistics should be placed in tables to enhance readability, and articles with statistics should include explanatory text providing context.

    The article lacks the context that those policies expect to put the collection of bullet items into perspective for the reader.—Bagumba (talk) 15:04, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The AI site StatMuse is cited almost 200 times on the page. Consensus at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 400 § StatMuse and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Basketball Association § Statmuse is that the site is not reliable and the AI nature of the site amounts to WP:OR, as the editor enters queries to get results from a WP:PRIMARY source database. Per the WP:SECONDARY policy:

    Wikipedia articles usually rely on material from reliable secondary sources.

    Bagumba (talk) 15:11, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of career achievements by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is a recent related AfD on a Hall of Famer who transcends basketball that was closed as "delete".—Bagumba (talk) 07:50, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment After reviewing the page again, I went on to delete large chunks of trivial content that lacked merit and/or were unsubstantiated. All StatMuse references and any inferable content from sites such as ClutchPoints and Basketball Reference (database-searched content) have also been removed to retain credibility and avoid the violation of WP:NOTSTATS. Furthermore, franchise and college-based records have been tabulated to enhance readability. It is fair to say that the current version is far sleeker and concrete with credible citations (with the exception of a handful of records which I am in the process of finding the right sources for). As the page's latest version also shows, Curry has an extensive list of notable records and milestones. Incorporating them in one page seems like a more organised and logical approach to me. In addition, it is common knowledge that Curry, like Bryant and James, is generally considered an all-time great with a significant impact on the sport. However, the achievements pages of the latter-two (Bryant's and James') have a wide range of unverified content, particularly Bryant's, that still stand without any corrections being made. The notion of whether Curry warrants a standalone records page may not seem like a "no-brainer", but its closure seems unjustified if each factor in this comment is considered in totality.—Beemer03 (talk) 14:24, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Treating this on its individual merits and making no comparison with the Kareem Abdul-Jabbar discussion. On balance, this subject is a desirable and valid WP:SPINOFF; desirable because the corresponding section of the main Stephen Curry article is very long; and valid because I can find existing references which discuss his achievements and records in a standalone manner [2] [3]. Most comments above represent problems which can and should be solved by improvement, not deletion. Aspirex (talk) 21:01, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment WP:NOTEVERYTHING is my biggest concern with this page:

    Information should not be included solely because it is true or useful. An article should not be a complete presentation of all possible details, but a summary of accepted knowledge regarding its subject.

    Then there is WP:NOTSTATS and the lack of commentary. Curry's impact on changing basketball by dominating as a smaller player with 3-point shooting is the bigger story. The slew of records feel secondary, and the niche ones that involves multiple conditions (e.g. "Oldest player in NBA history to average over 30 points per game through the first 10 games of a season") feel especially trivial. How many get historically mentioned years after the actual game? But with data and technology, these are available and oft-mentioned during and after a game. Beemer03 had been working to pare the cruft from the page. I think it will take some time to make the necessary editorial decisions on what should be on this page, and then decide if the remaining content is worthy of a standalone page.—Bagumba (talk) 04:22, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Bagumba: then perhaps draftify is the way to go for now? And maybe the page can be restored to mainspace if there's consensus at a relevant centralized venue like WT:NBA. Left guide (talk) 08:09, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    A few points at WP:DRAFTNO suggest not draftifying. I don't see any gross policy violations that compel me to !vote to draftify. —Bagumba (talk) 08:16, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Final relist. No consensus through this whole process.
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Doddodo (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No references, seems to fail GNG Kingsmasher678 (talk) 01:16, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of mayors of Warner Robins, Georgia (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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List of mostly unnotable local politicians. Roasted (talk) 00:55, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep - "mostly unnotable local politicians" is not defined, because most of them are still red links. Please see WP:REDLINKS. I think if you look through "Category:Lists of mayors of places in Georgia (U.S. state)" you will find the same un-sourced situation on all of them. And for that matter, it seems to be a trend for most mayoral lists. These are the kinds of lists that are works in progress, and therefore should not be deleted. — Maile (talk) 01:12, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Redlinks "indicate that a page will be created soon or that an article should be created for the topic because the subject is notable and verifiable" - few of those mayors seem notable, to be honest. AusLondonder (talk) 07:15, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How do you arrive at "few of those mayors seem notable" just by looking at a red link name? — Maile (talk) 11:29, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's generally uncommon for mayors of smaller cities to be notable, per WP:NPOL which states that "Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability." Mayors are frequently deleted at AfD. AusLondonder (talk) 12:16, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Especially since all the mayors currently with articles are under PRODs. Roasted (talk) 21:59, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Relisting as there is no consensus yet.
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  • Delete. There are zero sources, so WP:V is not here. Looks like zero notable entries, too (blue links look temporary). What exactly is the value of this standalone list? If merged into the article, at least more eyes would be looking at it. --Викидим (talk) 03:00, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Good News Voice (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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After a review of the references in the article, I'm not convinced this network meets WP:NCORP. The sources included here are merely FCC records and the website for the organization, and a source for additional sourcing came up empty. Let'srun (talk) 02:25, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Frank Arneil Walker (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Tagged for BLP sourcing issues since 2010. Not clear that the subject passes WP:SIGCOV. 4meter4 (talk) 02:13, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Itascatown, Howland Island (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This article's history contains slow-moving reversals of redirects by an anonymous editor. The text is copied word-by-word from the Howland Island, lacking context here and thus creating a WP:CFORK much worse than the original (note the "on the island" in the very first sentence without identification of the island). The anonymous comment match the actions in maturity ("Mommy I want to do color flags please?", [4]). IMHO the article should be replaced by a Redirect to Howland Island. WP:PROD was reverted by an anonymous editor, so escalating to establish consensus so repeated rollbacks will become legit. Викидим (talk) 02:02, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Audacity to Podcast (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The subject does not pass WP:N or WP:NPODCAST. I didn't find any coverage in reliable sources when doing a BEFORE. TipsyElephant (talk) 01:37, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The podcast received two awards and was a major factor in its host's being inducted into the Podcast Hall of Fame.
Additional notability and citations added. 8thNote (talk) 04:48, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Simón Veras (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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There is no evidence this athlete passes WP:GNG/WP:NSPORT. I can find no WP:SIGCOV. (Contested PROD.) Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:34, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]