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Splitting hairs -- Art Brut vs outsider art

Art Brut -- as a term came first and was coined by Jean Dubuffet and is centered mainly on child-like naive, primitive works where as ...

Outsider Art -- is ANY art that is created by someone untrained outside of the traditional art world. Slacker13 (talk) 15:23, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed with the Teahouse talk. Art brut, (French: “raw art”) really deserves its own page, not nestled here. There was even a Companie de L’Art Brut set up to collect and study Art Brut, which is now housed in the museum, La Collection de l’Art Brut in Lausanne, Switzerland. Avignonesi (talk) 16:47, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the agreement! Slacker13 (talk) 03:32, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to see evidence from art historians that these are really two discrete topics rather than French and English terms for essentially the same topic. Cullen328 (talk) 19:14, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I found it in this book: https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=uajFzNpyJC8C&oi=fnd&pg=PP1&dq=art+brut+vs+outsider+art&ots=1BpFce9Fa0&sig=_uFofq9I9BATWiugqiZq9_zrvc0#v=onepage&q=art%20brut%20vs%20outsider%20art&f=false. Pulling some excerpts....

and this paper: https://scholarscompass.vcu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1313&context=jstae

Related, often inter-changed -- but actually two distinct terms. Slacker13 (talk) 18:48, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One of the references in this article is linking to a 404 page.

Particularly "Prinz, Jesse. "Against outsider art." Journal of Social Philosophy 48.3 (2017): 250-272.[1]".

Is there anything that can be done about it? I'd love to read up on it.

Thanks. EnviousBird (talk) 18:25, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adding a section about criticism of the term

Many pages on Wikipedia have criticism sections. This page does not. But the term Outsider Art has been notably criticized many times. I am thinking of adding a section. What process should I go through to add one? Krɪt̮ɪkl feɪjəɹ (talk) 18:26, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]