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Early discussions

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"the only television series ever to use character development and metaphor to drive the plot"

Of course, and Jewel in the Crown or I, Claudius were just glorified soap operas.

Get rid of this hyperbole.HBR

Should the names of the characters be wikified? Seems like it makes the page a big hyperlink mess to me. Jeversol 18:26, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)

What do you find not appropriate about them? --Liberlogos 05:10, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I agree with Liberlogos. Articles about characters are encouraged. See Luke and Laura Spencer or Donna Beck for examples. Mike H 05:12, Aug 25, 2004 (UTC)
The Angela Chase wiki-link just redirects back to this page though - there doesn't seem to be any point to that.sheridan 10:10, 2004 Dec 1 (UTC)

isn't it the case that MSCL was aired against the hugely popular & established 60 minutes, contributing to its downfall? Also, it was nominated for 5 Emmys and Claire Danes won a golden globe

MSCL did not air against 60 Minutes (Sundays at 7:00 P.M. on CBS). It aired on Thursday nights at 8:00 P.M. against four hit sitcoms. Top ten hits, 'Mad About You' and 'Friends' on NBC as well as the popular 'Martin' and 'Living Single' on FOX. This was for it's original run in the United States. In the spring of 1995 MTV started running MSCL in a atempt to save it. As explained in 'Entertainment Weekly' this would have worked, but Clair Danes wanted to appear in fewer episodes in order to launch a movie career. The fans of MSCL launched the first big Internet 'save our show' campaigns. Later, after it was announced the show would not return, and Clair Danes decision...MSCL fans flamned various message boards. this was mentioned in USA Today in the late spring of 1995.


the link to 'bedford falls production company' no longer works & should be removed81.79.90.42 20:07, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Better yet, it should be fixed. Bedford Falls is an important production company responsible for several well-regarded shows. MrBook 15:17, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The cancellation

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The cancellation shouldn't be simply chalked up to low ratings.

The fact is, at the time of the cancellation, the head of the efforts to save the show stated with anger and hurt that it was Claire Danes' fighting its renewal that made the difference. This created a great deal of controversy at the time, but is backed up by a recent Entertainment Weekly article in which, for the first time, Claire admits she expressed to the network through her agent a desire not to return and Ted Harbert, who made the cancellation decision, says Claire's reluctance was decisive.

Please site the EW article or remove the section on Danes' reluctance from the entry. Alvis 05:37, 8 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Here is the URL of the interview about it: http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,692296-4-5_3%7C%7C233618%7C1_,00.html. I'm going to try to put the citation in, but it will be the first time I've added a citation to a Wikipedia article; so if I fail to get it right, I'll leave adding the citation for someone else to do. But if anyone doubts the veracity of the claim, whether I manage to make the citation in the article or not, just check out that link.
Okay, I believe I've cited it properly.

It's true that had the ratings been high enough the show would have survived regardless, and it's also true that one can't be completely certain that Harbert would have renewed the series anyway. What is clear is that Claire played a role, and this role and the controversy surrounding it should be mentioned.

I have been adding large chunks of backstory about the genesis and production of the show. I just wanted to thank the users/editors who went through and cleaned up the structure (Bensin?) and added hyperlinks.

Region 2 Release

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Perhaps it might be worth including something about the series (finally) getting a Region 2 release? It's currently scheduled for release on May 14th :-

http://play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/3305738/My_So_Called_Life_The_Complete_Series/Product.html

http://www.amazon.co.uk/My-Called-Life-Jared-Leto/dp/B000N39I0M/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/203-7590118-7422302?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1176127822&sr=8-1 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.159.4.54 (talk) 14:11, 9 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

"Episodes" section

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Is there any significance to the "<"s next to eps. 10 and 14? --zenohockey 01:04, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Probably not. I'll remove them. --Bensin 01:09, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

POV

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Some of the (uncited) text in the sections toward the end of the article is massively POV, describing people (mostly Claire Danes) as 'genius' and such. --38.100.222.81 11:48, 28 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. I have cleaned up some of the main body of this article, mainly by correcting unprofessional prose and deleting repeated information. There were a few sentences which I removed completely because they were obviously written from a biased standpoint, were critique rather than informative, and no sources were provided. What remains is still relatively biased, however, made up mostly of quotes without sources. Without knowing the sources, there's not much more I can do. Clockster (talk) 04:49, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was the author of a majority of the article from where the Production section begins on down. Much of my information was based on a rare interview with the creator and producers of the show that was included with a very limited production of the very first boxed set of MSCL discs that was released in 2002. All of the quotes I have used are from my own transcription of the interview. Cjboffoli (talk) 01:36, 16 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Themes

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Mention needs to be made of the parallels which many, if not all, stories had between the life of the parents and that of the children. A case in point is the episode in which Angela "pushes [her dad] off her pedestal, instead of 30 years too late like [her mom does her grandfather]." It was always clear to me that they were trying to write for the parents as well -- an observation underlined by Winnie Holzman's quoted statement: "I didn't see it as a teen show. I wasn't writing it that way." —Preceding unsigned comment added by P00r (talkcontribs) 13:40, 8 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bertha Reynolds

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The following information was added by User:Shalom sheet in this edit.

"Bertha Reynolds was a character to be played by aspiring young actress Suzanne Cobb. The character was supposed to be Angela's rival of sorts when it came to Jordan's affections. Bertha was going to be a character around throughout the series, who went by her middle name "Rae". This character would have an edgy feel and was described as "a blonde haired vixen who had been on and off with Jordan and still held his interest" Suzanne Cobb was the only actress picked for the role and when she dropped out due to casting issues (she had to go star in the upcoming film "Ravenous Stupor") the role of Rae was put aside. It was later decided that she was too typical of a role and that the series would be more realistic without her."

I think a reliable source is needed for this to be included. --Bensin (talk) 23:29, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]


It appears that User:Shalom sheet has only ever made two edits on all of Wikipedia, firstly, the edit you mention above, and secondly, this edit, which she made two days later:
Rae Reynolds Rae is a character that never officially made it to the cast of My So Called Life. Winnie wrote this character as a more filled out version of the character Cynthia Hargrove, who slept around with jordan and is mentioned toward the end of the series. Originally this character was going to be in a few episodes, much like Cynthia's. However, Winnie then decided to make her a rival of Angela's when it came to Jordan's affections. Her character was described as "blonde, buxom, a vixen in her own right, a mentor of sorts to Angela- to her hatred" This character was written exclusivly for the young canadian actress Suzanne Cobb, who matched the character description to a T. Cobb was 16 at the time, and was extremely interested in the role. However, at the last minute cobb dropped out in order to play a biology professor slash erotic dancer in the film "Vivacious Dissection" and the part of Bertha "Rae" Reynolds was scrapped, diluted later to the pale original version of Cynthia Hargrove.
When one Google searches "a blonde haired vixen who had been on and off with Jordan and still held his interest", this talk page is the only hit. If this is supposed to be an exact quote, it appears nowhere on the Internet.
When one Google searches "blonde, buxom, a vixen in her own right", one gets zero hits. If this is supposed to be an exact quote, it appears nowhere on the Internet.
When one Googles "Suzanne Cobb" with "Ravenous Stupor", this talk page is, again, the only hit. I'd say, therefore, that it is extremely unlikely that any actress named Suzanne Cobb ever appeared in a movie called Ravenous Stupor.
When one Googles "movie" with "Ravenous Stupor" or "film" with "Ravenous Stupor", one comes up with a few hits, but absolutely nothing (other than this talk page) to indicate that a film with that title was ever even made.
When one Googles "Suzanne Cobb" with "Vivacious Dissection", one comes up with zero hits, making it extremely unlikely that any actress named Suzanne Cobb ever appeared in a movie called Vivacious Dissection.
When one Googles "movie" with "Vivacious Dissection" or "film" with "Vivacious Dissection", one comes up with a few hits, but absolutely nothing to indicate that a film with that title was ever even made.
When one Googles "actress named Suzanne Cobb", one comes up with zero hits. When one Googles "actress Suzanne Cobb", one comes up with two hits: this talk page, and an IMDb page indicating that "Suzanne Cobb" was the name of a fictional character in some 1994 made-for-t.v. movie. I can find no strong evidence on the Internet that anyone named Suzanne Cobb has acted. In fact, the closest thing to "evidence" I could find online that anyone named "Suzanne Cobb" may've acted was this Whois page.
When one Googles either "Bertha Reynolds" with "My So-called Life" or "Rae Reynolds" with "My So-called Life", one turns up no evidence (other than this talk page) that this potential character was ever even a consideration.
Moreover, it is extremely suspicious that the two edits User:Shalom sheet made were contradictory.
While it is not impossible that this Reynolds character was actually a consideration, I'd be more inclined to suspect that User:Shalom sheet simply made-up this information. I agree with Bensin that, in order for this information to be included, some sort of reliable source must be dug up.
Sincerely, allixpeeke (talk) 13:14, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Tino never seen?

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I don't remember seeing that :) Jordan had a number of friends which he hung around with and exchanged shorter dialogues with - sure that not one of them was Tino?`Sponsianus (talk) 00:21, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely. In fact, we rarely if at all hear the names of Jordan's friends and band mates other than Tino, who we never see - something I always thought was pretty cool. (I think another name or two pops up in a couple episodes - not sure; maybe the guys in Frozen Embryos, Residue or Between Names.) I've seen every episode too many times - Tino never appears. Also, it was discussed on the DVD extras that the viewer never sees Tino.
Cheers, Rico402 (talk) 08:34, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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These do not readily appear to meet the external link guidelines, although some may be Reliable Sources that could be used to enhance the article as genuine references. I have moved them here for editors to comment and gain consensus to return to article if WP:EL guidelines are met.

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Discussion

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i was just rewatching my so called life on hulu and got on to see if i could find info about where the series would go, but i noticed an error. jordan is not dyslexic. when angela finds out he can't read well she asks him this and he says no, he doesn't think that is it, that he can read, just not well. towards the end of the series when brian is tutoring him he tells angela that brian figured out he is a remedial reader with low literacy skills. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.203.10.94 (talk) 06:22, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I created this new userbox

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My So-Called LifeThis user's hair is not red - it's crimson glow.





The code is:

{{User:Grundle2600/userboxes/My So-Called Life}}

Grundle2600 (talk) 19:00, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unsourced Material Archive

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The article has been tagged for needing refs for over two years. Consequently I have moved unsourced material here. Please feel free to reincorporate the material into the article with proper sourcing! Doniago (talk) 17:38, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Lisa Wilhoit redirects here

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I believe this is incorrect as no information about her is found her 2600:1700:BA3:880:ED89:2252:4C91:B8B6 (talk) 00:08, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lisa Wilhoit played Danielle, and has more mention here than in any other article in Wikipedia. Her name was redirected here after the discussion in Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Lisa_Wilhoit. Dan Bloch (talk) 00:47, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]